i need an adultier adult (Posts tagged fandom wank)

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See, that’s what the app is perfect for.

Sounds perfect Wahhhh, I don’t wanna

I do find it interesting how many times I’ll see discourse about a particular scene or line from one of the books (especially TLG) and then I go to look it up and that’s straight-up just not what it says

dottie rambles fandom wank specifically right now the 'shane doesn't know about the dark sides of hockey' line that's not what the line is! the line is 'ilya has spent more time thinking about it recently' and 'hockey has never made shane sad' which is a whole different statement!
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what some of y'all consider good fic and make popular is kinda concerning ngl

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call me a bitch and pretentious and a wet blanket but for gods sake some of y'all need to read some good books and watch better movies/tv shows. just because it's in the written word doesn't mean it's not rotting your brain. some of this stuff isn't even junk food. it's just shit. taste is subjective but there is a certain threshold reached when objectively the art is bad.

darlingofdots

I hope it’s okay for me to add my thoughts to this!

For a while now I have observed that a lot of people, even people who read a lot, struggle to talk about what they read on anything except the content level. This includes students in my undergraduate lit studies classes! They can tell me what happens in a story and maybe how it made them feel, but if I ask them why they feel a certain way, they can’t point to it. It blows their minds when I go through a couple of examples of how words make you feel things (like the difference between “red drops” and “crimson spatters”). They are not paying attention to conventions or formats or narrative techniques and they struggle to comprehend the function of those things.

The extension of this is that most people don’t know what “good writing” is. They just don’t. This has always been the case to some degree because most people only care about whether or not they like a book they’re reading, although of course “good writing” usually makes a book more enjoyable to read. But it also appears that a lot of people “read” without really taking in or paying attention to the actual words on the page beyond what they need to imagine the scenes. This is why some of the most popular/successful published writers out there have incredibly dull prose: people prefer straightforward writing that doesn’t distract or confuse you with complexity of language.

The unfortunate consequence of the increasing literacy crisis is that the standards for what is considered “enjoyable” keeps dropping. Readers have lower standards for what they will rate 5 stars on Goodreads and that’s all publishers care about, so they can get away with putting less effort into their output, so the overall quality keeps dropping too.

There’s this idea in literary studies called “the affect” which bluntly put just refers to the physical and emotional reaction like when you watch a scary movie and your body reacts as if you really are being hunted by an axe murderer. The affect is a huge factor for why most people engage with media: they want to feel something and the more intense the feeling, the better. The thing is that the human mind and body are not that complicated and the buttons to make you feel Sad or Happy or Horny are very big and easily pushed, which is why there are cute puppies in commercials and why some writers try to make every single sentence some kind of climax. Increasingly, people appear to mean “it made me feel things” when they say “it’s so well-written.”

So the best way to make people respond positively to your writing is to make them Feel Things and you don’t need to be subtle or clever about it. In fact, it’s better if you aren’t. If you can make them Feel Things strongly and also repeatedly, even better. In a fanfiction context, that means readers as a demographic prefer frequent updates with a high density of humour, sex, or intense emotional scenes and they don’t really know whether it’s well-written or not.

And fanfiction doesn’t need to be “well-written”, that’s not the point. We were all shitty writers once and there’s no test you have to pass to write fic. I do think there have been some shifts in how people engage with fanfiction as readers that exacerbate individual works getting so much attention as well. My personal takeaway from the Claude-fragment situation is less “wow, people have shit taste” (because this has always been true, the art that appeals to the most people cannot be the most complex or nuanced because then fewer people would like it) and more “this is a direct result of the lack of reading skills and push towards instant gratification we have been observing for years because people are losing the ability to be discerning about what they enjoy”

fandom wank this is also why mr beast exists and why marvel movies still make money and why lightlark got *sequels* people don't know and they don't care. there's A Lot Happening and that's enough and it is extremely frustrating to me on a personal level as a writer and lit scholar but it's not individual people's fault yknow
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kinda bums me out that every conversation about homophobia in this fandom inevitably devolves into an assumption that Only straight women and gay men like HR. as if queer women and gnc people can’t resonate with a story about how debilitating homophobia is. Like we can address the fetishization of queer men without acting like our lived experiences are so severed that other queer people can’t personally connect to a story like this

heated rivalry fandom wank and i just want to add that gay men Do Not Write Romance generally it just is not a medium or genre that demographic usually participates in which is why 'all' the m/m romance is written by women tierney has even talked about how special it was for him to realise that there's this whole world of happy endings for queer men that queer men don't know about because they don't read romance surely the point here is that we can benefit from each other's experiences!
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kinda bums me out that every conversation about homophobia in this fandom inevitably devolves into an assumption that Only straight women and gay men like HR. as if queer women and gnc people can’t resonate with a story about how debilitating homophobia is. Like we can address the fetishization of queer men without acting like our lived experiences are so severed that other queer people can’t personally connect to a story like this

heated rivalry fandom wank and i just want to add that gay men Do Not Write Romance generally it just is not a medium or genre that demographic usually participates in which is why 'all' the m/m romance is written by women tierney has even talked about how special it was for him to realise that there's this whole world of happy endings for queer men that queer men don't know about because they don't read romance surely the point here is that we can benefit from each other's experiences!

“this book would be better if it was a dissertation about this social issue instead” actually it wouldn’t! hope that helps!

dottie rambles fandom wank fiction is not required to model morality or educate you a book can mention an issue and even use it as a storytelling tool without having to be ABOUT that issue or disregarding the actual story also some of y'all can't read. you're looking at the page and making up what it says
darlingofdots

Anonymous asked:

Please tell us about the ao3 womb curse? That sounds intriguing and vaguely terrifying...

darlingofdots answered:

I want to preface this by saying that this was years ago now and I bear no ill will towards the person anymore, they were clearly not in a great place at the time and at this point my friends and I just laugh about it

So in the summer of 2021 I was the target of harassment on Twitter for writing the wrong kind of fanfiction. Some people got really, really nasty about it and didn’t like that I stood up for myself, so they said all sorts of horrid things about me and tried to paint me as some sort of monster. I’m not going to lie: it sucked. I knew they were lying and scrambling to save face and everyone who knew me stood by me, but it was still a really awful couple of weeks for me and kind of destroyed my enjoyment of fandom.

THAT SAID.

A couple of weeks after the main meltdown had happened, I got a really weird anonymous comment on one of my fics on Ao3. I’d only just made my Ao3 public again after that whole debacle (because I didn’t like the idea of people combing through my profile to find all my “crimes”), and this comment was like, several lines in something I could only identify as an Eastern European language, and I thought it was a weird new spam thing until a couple of my friends said they got something similar on their recent fics for the same pairing. Google Translate said it was either Serbian or Croatian and all of them translated roughly to “may your womb be barren, you foul hag” (paraphrasing, but only a bit).

And then someone pointed out that one of the people who had been very vocal about how terrible I was on Twitter was from that general region, and when we went looking through their online presence a bit it turned out they had actually posted something along the lines of “I can’t believe this $&§@ is still around, I’m going to curse her” like an hour before the comments appeared on Ao3. Totally chill behaviour.

So since that day we have an inside joke about womb curses.

dottie rambles fandom wank people were asking about this
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fun fact I had to blacklist loads of terms and delete the emails and even 4 years later I sometimes feel ill thinking about That Week In 2021

I was writing so much fucking fanfiction up until then and I almost deleted all of it when this happened. Basically stopped writing for that fandom too.

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okay the last thing I will say this time, because immediately this conversation reactivated some bad stuff, is that I knew the “accusations” were bullshit because the zine team didn’t even bother accusing me of anything specific. Their initial “please will you drop out of the project voluntarily so we can pretend we didn’t kick you out” email was so vague and “some people have been made uncomfortable” because I basically hadn’t interacted with any of the other participants and they couldn’t invent a good enough reason to get rid of me. I even asked for clarification and got more vague therapy-speak buzzwords in reply. When I made a public post about this extremely transparent cancellation attempt, the artists who wanted me out and the mod team scrambled to come up with something that would make them look less shitty and failed spectacularly, because, like, I hadn’t done anything that warranted this response at all, I’d been active enough in the fandom that many people had an idea of who I was, and they did not have a shred of concrete evidence that I had done, like, anything to actually hurt anyone. They tried to convince people I was a sexual predator because ? and were shocked that didn’t go over well. In situations like these it always becomes extremely obvious that the perpetrators cannot differentiate between discomfort, disgust, and actual harm and luckily for me, my friends and community had my back that time but I do not want to imagine what it’s like to be on the receiving end of this without that kind of support and reassurance.

dottie rambles vent post fandom wank the positive side of that whole thing was that if you are generally a pleasant person people will not believe lies made up about you i had a very small actual 'following' but i had had positive interactions with lots of people so the fandom at large sort of went 'wait her? you're telling me she's an evil sex criminal? have you met her?' and i wish i'd been able to appreciate that more at the time because so many relative strangers came out to defend me just because they'd seen me around

fun fact I had to blacklist loads of terms and delete the emails and even 4 years later I sometimes feel ill thinking about That Week In 2021

I was writing so much fucking fanfiction up until then and I almost deleted all of it when this happened. Basically stopped writing for that fandom too.

dottie rambles vent post fandom wank as i said to a friend the other day it's mostly fine I'm. ostly over it except every now and then I'm not

my new therapist gave me all these questionnaires to fill out and it’s been really draining (and sometimes frustratingly heteronormative), but also one bit was about how other people see you and I had to leave the “worst enemy” part blank because I don’t know how to explain “there are people who have called me a sexual predator and threatened me with violence because I wrote some erotica they didn’t like”

dottie rambles fandom wank it was. a moment for sure. we'll see if she asks me about it
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it's so funny when you see a post on here about a book/TV show/whatever that you know really well and it's all "I can't believe nobody has pointed this out before, [completely unhinged "theory" that has absolutely no foundation in the text and actively contradicts its central themes]" and then the notes are full of people going "wow you're so right I never thought of it that way" bestie! you never thought of it that way because it's nonsense!

dottie rambles fandom wank this is a good post actually