A Song of Ice and Fire v.s. Harry Potter

In answer to greenmouse's challenge :

Contrast and compare a house from HP with a house from ASOIAF. After all, Lannisters are lions...but are they Gryffindors? Are the Starks Ravenclaws? Are Freys Hufflepuffs? Or, "sort" a favorite character. Would you put Tommen in Hufflepuff? Arya in Gryffindor?

I said :

Stark is a Hufflepuff house. Loyalty, honour, fairness, steadfastness are their virtues. Arya is a Slytherdor, though.
I think I'd see Tully as Hufflepuff as well.

Lannisters are quite obviously the Slytherin house in Slytherinness, with Jaime standing out as being more Gryffindor (kinda like Sirius except not with the early rebellion thing).

Martell's the House I see associated with Gryffindor. I'd say Doran is the Remus kind of Gryffindors, being not obvious about it, but Arianne and Oberyn are classic Gryffindor types.

The other ones are tougher.

And greemouse answered

See, I always pictured Stark as a Gryffindor house. They don't seem to be able to shut up and sit down when they really should, because they have to speak up for "What's right!" Plus, if you look at the way Robb acted towards others, he very much had the bravado and attitude I associate with Gryffindor.

I'd be curious to hear how Arya is a Slytherdor, actually. "By any means?"

And I could argue Lannisters (as devils advocate) have some members who aren't Slytherin...think about Tyrion. Where does he go? Is he still what you'd call a typical Slytherin?

To which I'd say :

I think Stark as Gryffindor is deceptively easy a comparison to make because they're set up as our heros, but I still think they make way better Hufflepuffs. Hufflepuff virtues are loyalty, hard-work, fairness. They're very enduring qualities. Keep getting hit hundreds of time, and stand up, not complaining to keep doing your work. Salt of the earth, somewhat dour (I've no idea why fandom thinks of them as fluffy). Very no nonsense. No boast. No brashness. Winter is Coming. Let's do what must be done.
The other thing is that they work well in groups. When the Hufflepuff are suspicious of Harry, they are ALL suspicious of Harry (CoS). When they are behind Harry, they are ALL behind Harry. (Except for Zacharias, who's motivated by loyalty to Cedric).
So Ned's saying :
When the snow falls and the cold wind blows and the lone wolf dies, but the pack survives
That's a pure Hufflepuff ethos.
Even Robb, well... she's a bit more brash than Bran or Cat, but I don't really see him as full of bravado. He's a good tactician and reasonnably good leader, which I guess are more Gryffindor qualities, but he's too responsible and nice and concerned about honour to be a Gryffindors. Okay, I'm not a big fan of Robb, maybe I should let someone who thought more of him speak on him.

Arya, I see her as the same kind of Slytherdor as Harry is. Very brave (fear cuts deeper than swords), very brash, very let's spit in the face of adversity and then bites it. But also very cunning and ressourceful and able to lie and blackmail when she has to, even if she's not smooth about it.

For the Lannisters, Jaime's the only exception I can think of (okay, maybe Lancel). Tywin's pure Slytherin. Cersei's too. (nobody said they had to be good at being cunning, as long as they make a good try ^^). Genna's too (and is awesome at being that). Tyrion's very definitly a Slytherin. I'll grant you he's a Slytherclaw but we do see more his Sly aspect than his Ravenclaw side. He's all about using his wits to manipulate people. Sure he's compassionate and kind even, but nothing says a Slytherin can't be that. Tyrion's even ambitious, he liked being in a position of power as the Hand. He wants aknowledgement, admiration, would it be only from his family. Those are Slytherin qualities.

All right, so here are some ideas that I've been chewing on for challenges. If anyone likes these, please take them! I'd love to see this from different points of view. (By the way, I have no clue how to structure these, but I'm trying this out...)

Challenges for December

Idea #1: Spoiled blonde brats.
Draco v.s. Prince Jeoffry. More than meets the eye to both of them, definitely. Both the sons of wealthy, influential families, both spoiled absolutely rotten. Both of them are given tasks which they have to measure up to. How do they act as leaders? How do they act towards their peers? What face do they present to adults/people in authority v.s. the private face they keep to themselves?

Idea #2: Misunderstood bad guys.
Jaime Lannister v.s. Severus Snape. Y'know what? Just take this one and freaking run with it.

Idea #3: Pick a house, any house.
Contrast and compare a house from HP with a house from ASOIAF. After all, Lannisters are lions...but are they Gryffindors? Are the Starks Ravenclaws? Are Freys Hufflepuffs? Or, "sort" a favorite character. Would you put Tommen in Hufflepuff? Arya in Gryffindor?

Obviously, there's more than one way to answer these. Have fun, go for it!

Anyone want to compare and contrast Littlefinger and Snape? They were both in love with their childhood friends who married other men. They both did things to bring about the deaths of their beloved's husband. Snape regreted it and worked to protect Lily's son while Littlefinger worked to further his ambition and has taken Catelyn's daughter as a replacement for her. What similarities and differences in their personalities and circumstances led them to the paths they took?

*coughs*

Hello! One of your friendly community maintainers here. Just curious if this place is completely dead or not. I'm guessing yes, but you never know.

C'mon folks! Deathly Hallows came out a couple of months ago! We know who lives, who dies, who gets married. Any new battles?

On a side note, would people be interested in weekly/monthly challenges if a prompt were posted? I just discovered myself that this community still exists, and that apparently I'm a maintainer of it.

So, yeah. Thoughts?

Hello ! Since we have this nice, handy community for the purpose of comparing ASOIAF and HP, I figured we might as well use it.
So here are some thoughts about how the two books use characters in the role of the "Mother", and especially how they contrast such characters belonging to different moral "sides" of the story.

ETA: to readers linked to this without warning : this post contains spoilers for the serie of book A Song of Ice and Fire by George RR Martin. I advice against reading it before you've read those books. I do strongly reccomand reading them, though, because they're some of the best fantasy out there.

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Hi all, and welcome to the craziness that is the community devoted solely to the discussion of a burning question for any fan of both the Harry Potter and A Song of Ice and Fire series. A simple question that many of us avoid asking, or secretly giggle over in private:

Which series is better - HP, or ASOIAF?

Everyone has an opinion. Everyone has an argument for one or the other, in terms of characterisation, plot, backstory or simple bad-assedry. What no one seems to have is a valid place for all of this to be aired - a refuge, if you will, to post silly icons comparing Jaime to Snape and Dany to Ginny.

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