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I was very interested in the structuring of the encounters we can see in this Heineken ad. The acquaintance starts with co-work, as well as with structured conversations that ask people to identify themselves in ways that may be novel to them, that don't immediately lead to any specific party affiliation or stance.

I think that co-work toward a mutual goal leads to better community practice-- where the goal isn't about determining in-groups and out-groups. I think that verbs trump nouns, when people are brought to work in verbs.

The people filmed were lucky in being given a kind of neutrally acceptable goal-- construct furniture.

But what if we in towns, cities, nations, the world, could focus on a goal of, for example, making sure children are nourished and educated, and then go to policies as means toward such an end?

And if someone said, "Well, what about deadbeat parents?" we could talk about which we value more, feeding/educating or failing to provide foothold for deliberate cheating, and what the incidence is, and whether that matters.

That was an example.

I could think of lots more.

I know it's hard to come up with a widely acceptable goal.

But maybe we could start by looking at the goals of policy, beyond the party-affiliations of policies or their proponents.

Asking about goals.

Date: 2017-05-03 10:28 pm (UTC)
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It seems to me, in talking to quite a few folk, that many of the goals are similar. But there are huge differences in how to achieve those goals. That's what we argue about. And the ideas of how to achieve goals is usually part of a very basic belief system of how the world works.

For example, two people may both have the goal seeing more kids who grow up in poverty having greater functionality in society. But as you know, they may have different definitions of functional, and they're likely to have wildly different ideas of how that functionality may be achieved. And because this will be an emotional argument, there's little chance of compromise.

I don't know the answer, because even when something is shown to work, like Headstart, someone will want to end it because they believe that giving things to the poor makes them dependent on that system, never achieving self sufficiency. Faced with the evidence, they'll just shout louder.

I don't know the answer.

Date: 2017-05-04 04:43 am (UTC)
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I hear you. I keep saying that, but/and I hear you.

Date: 2017-05-05 04:55 pm (UTC)
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It's really a shame that people can't agree on something as obvious as "we need to feed children," without lashing out at other people. I find people who are against assistance tend to continue to think of the money as "theirs," and therefore should be able to dictate exactly what is done with it.

Date: 2017-05-09 10:28 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ljgeoff
I've been thinking about this for several days. Thank you.

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