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"Now that the full cycle of debates has come to an end, there is at least one clear winner: the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget. Two questions in the vice-presidential debate, along with two from Chris Wallace in last night’s presidential showdown, referred to the committee, which is devoted to deficit reduction, and treated its analyses and proposals as matters of settled fact.

"Near the end of the debate, Mr. Wallace declared, `The Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget has looked at both of your plans, and they say neither of you has a serious plan that is going to solve the fact that Medicare’s going to run out of money in the 2020s, Social Security is going to run out of money in the 2030s.' Mr. Wallace went on to suggest that only a `grand bargain' combining tax increases with Medicare and Social Security benefit cuts could solve the problem.

"The Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget is an eminently respectable organization, led by distinguished former members of Congress, and its analyses of budget data are sound. I often agree with the organization’s viewpoint.

"But it is a viewpoint, and it is hardly the only one. Countless economists, budget analysts and other experts would argue that long-term shortfalls in those two programs can be addressed by controlling health care costs and raising the cap on the Social Security tax, so that higher earners pay a little more.

"Others would point out that `entitlements,' which are simply a budget category, have no special status on the chopping block, and cuts to military spending, for example, could achieve the same purpose. And other economists argue that any aggressive move toward deficit reduction would be unwise while the economy is still fragile.

"These are no less responsible views.

"Imagine a question such as this: `According to the nonpartisan Sierra Club, unless we reduce carbon dioxide in the atmosphere to 350 parts per million, climate change will be catastrophic. What kind of carbon tax or cap-and-trade plan would you propose to avoid this result?' This is a trick question of sorts, because in five hours of debate, not one question about climate change was asked.

But if it had been, this perfectly reasonable inquiry would have been denounced as leading, accepting the argument of an advocacy group, and presuming the appropriate policy solution, just as Mr. Wallace’s question did with the `grand bargain.'

"For several years, this dogma about “entitlements” has held the status of received fact among journalists and pundits. It’s hard to think of another interest-group argument that has had such influence on conventional opinion. And usually politicians have followed along, notably President Obama, who spent much of the middle period of his presidency in search of the `grand bargain' suggested by the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget.

"Remarkably, though, neither candidate last night played along. Donald Trump blustered that his tax cuts would generate economic growth of `5 or 6 percent.' Hillary Clinton rejected Social Security benefit cuts, arguing that no more than a modest increase in the cap on payroll taxes was needed. And she promised to reduce Medicare spending by going after the `drivers' of health care costs, to `increase value, emphasize wellness.'

"The debate moderators have not caught up, but American politics has finally turned away from the suffocating belief that cuts to the two largest programs in the entitlement category of the budget are the only way to ensure long-term economic health. Only one presidential candidate has a realistic alternative, but nonetheless, it’s a breakthrough."

"Mark Schmitt is the director of the political reform program at New America."

That's from this NYTimes compilation of commentary on the third presidential debate.

And, a-yup.

Date: 2016-10-22 12:17 am (UTC)
mdlbear: blue fractal bear with text "since 2002" (Default)
From: [personal profile] mdlbear
Misplaced quote in the link, but I agree -- that's a breakthrough, and good to hear.

Date: 2016-10-22 12:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amaebi.livejournal.com
Fixed. Thanks.

Date: 2016-10-22 03:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] randomdreams.livejournal.com
I hope the thesis is correct. I'd love to see the weird hatred for programs that benefit poor americans get tamped down a bit.

Date: 2016-10-22 12:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amaebi.livejournal.com
...so you don't find the commentary transparent and convincing?

Date: 2016-10-22 03:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ljgeoff.livejournal.com
Without too much digging, I find that the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget receives most of it's funding from the Peter G. Peterson Foundation, which also funds the Campaign to Fix the Debt, "the latest incarnation of a decades-long effort by former Nixon man turned Wall Street billionaire Pete Peterson to slash earned benefit programs such as Social Security and Medicare under the guise of fixing the nation's "debt problem." (http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Peter_G._Peterson_Foundation) So, to my mind, that leaves the rest of the essay in questionable territory. When somebody says, "These guys are great bunch and have wonderful ideas" and I find that these guys aren't, in my opinion, so great -- then I rather doubt I'll like their ideas, either.

Also, I wish economists/accountants could use a different word than "entitlement" because I've heard too many times "Oh, they think that they're entitled just 'cause they're black" and it makes my hackles rise.

Also, following the link and reading the comments was educational. Thank you.

Date: 2016-10-22 03:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amaebi.livejournal.com
Blame the legislators for "entitlements."

Myself, I like to consider arguments from all sorts of people, including those whose premises I disagree with, and fairly often even those whose premises repel me.

Date: 2016-10-23 07:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amaebi.livejournal.com
I've been bothered by your comment ever since I read it.

You think that saying that if one insists on cutting other portions of the budget to accommodate the "entitlements" category of expenditure, the military budget could be cut, is tainted by the writer's respect for the Committee for a Responsible Budget's work, on its assumptions?

You think that saying that the "entitlements" can easily be supported by making different tax decisions and/or controlling medical costs is sullied by the writer's respect for the Committee, who have silently assumed away that option?

The writer is saying that the Committee's analysis is honest work from the viewpoint of its assumptions, and he's pointing out weaknesses in those assumptions.

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