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This is the third post in our series discussing the redesign of Stack Overflow. If you haven’t yet, we recommend reading Part 1: A First Look: Stack Overflow redesign first, which explains the project's goals and scope.

In this post we’ll look at two key areas that help you find your way around the site: the main site navigation and the homepage. Our goal is to make it faster and more intuitive to find the content and tools you need. As a reminder, we are sharing these designs early, so you may find some high level ideas and rough spots in the mockups.

Updated Navigation

We’re simplifying the main site navigation to make it cleaner and more scalable for the future.

Current Navigation:

Current version of top navigation Current version of left navigation

New Navigation:

New version of top navigation New version of left navigation

What's changed and why:

  • Better organization: We've grouped related links in the top bar and left-hand navigation to reduce clutter and help you find things faster. We've also added a link to Meta in the left nav.
  • Easier to ask: We've moved the "Ask Question" button to the top navigation bar to make it more prominent and easier to access from anywhere on the site.
  • Improved site switcher: We've moved the site switcher, making it easier to jump directly between all the communities you use.
  • More control: The left-hand navigation can still be collapsed and will now be pinned to the left side of your screen. We're also adding the ability to collapse sections within the nav that aren't of interest to you.
  • Moderation tools: We will be discussing the location of moderation controls with moderators directly before finalizing any changes. We will update this post with more information after those conversations.

We want your feedback: Are there any links you use frequently in the current navigation that are now harder to find in the new design?

Redesigned Homepage

We want the home page to be a useful and relevant starting point for all types of users.

Current Home Page:

Current view of the homepage in light mode

Current view of the homepage in dark mode

New Homepage:

Update mockup of the Stack Overflow homepage with collapsed navigation in light mode

Update mockup of the Stack Overflow homepage with collapsed navigation in dark mode

What's changed and why:

  • Faster problem solving & discovery: We know that some users are looking for an immediate answer to get unblocked. To address this, we are experimenting with a more prominent entry point to AI Assist on the homepage. This is alongside our primary focus of surfacing relevant content and communities for you to discover.
  • A more relevant feed: We heard your feedback that the homepage felt too static and wasn't personalized enough. We're removing the permanent onboarding section to make room for more relevant content and will be using new tools to create better, more contextual onboarding experiences in the future.
  • More control: We're hoping to build in features that would give you more control over your feed, like the ability to save posts or remove content to improve your personalization algorithm. While we can't promise this for the initial release, it's definitely on our radar 😉

We want your feedback: What information is most important for you to see when you first visit the site? Is there anything you’d miss from the current homepage design?

Join the Conversation

Your feedback on these foundational elements is crucial as it will impact every other part of the redesign.

Please share your thoughts below.

You can continue the discussion in our other posts:

Thank you for your input!

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    Are you redesigning/removing the topbar too in this? The new topbar looks way less useful than the current one. Where are the buttons for notifications, achievements, review queues? Where is my rep and badge count? What about mod flags for moderators? A good 40% of my daily clicks on Stack Overflow/SE sites are on the topbar, but now I can't tell where I should go for that 40% of clicks. It would be good if you could highlight and annotate in the 'new' screenshots where all the stuff from the old layout went, for anything that moved/changed. Commented Oct 6 at 16:29
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    So what is the empty space on the left for exactly? (more ads?) Perhaps most of your users have wide screens, but many of us have rather small screens - both depth and width. Screen real estate is precious and web designers are far too fond of squandering it, IMHO. I assume this is because they typically have multiple large monitors and assume people who don't are all on phones or tablets. Commented Oct 6 at 17:04
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    @TylerH This doesn't include moderator tooling. As stated, we will be working directly with moderators on where to include tools. We realize speed is access is extremely important for them and we weren't comfortable making those decisions without them. Notifications and achievements are under one menu to the left of the avatar. Commented Oct 6 at 17:45
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    @cfr This will be a responsive layout. If you have a smaller screen, then there just wouldn't be white there. Commented Oct 6 at 17:45
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    @Piper OK... so you have added more clicks to do something, and reduced the speed at which we can do it. Is that regression intentional? What is the benefit to users in making things slower to access and require more clicks, along with hiding information that used to always be exposed immediately and on every page? Commented Oct 6 at 18:32
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    I don't understand why the non-Stack Exchange site Hugging Face is listed together with Stack Exchange sites (Seasoned Advice and Ask Ubuntu). (Is it an ad?) Commented Oct 6 at 22:28
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    More likely a placeholder. Commented Oct 7 at 0:05
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    Exactly what is the purpose of hiding the text in the left navigation bar (I assume the full label will appear when hovering the buttons) if the central column of the page - the one with the actual content - stays the same? When I hide the ribbon in Word or a side menu in Visual Studio, the main content area expands to utilize the new space. Having an unpinned, on-hover "Mobile-UI" like menu that still occupies the same space even when closed seems an useless exercise in adding noise to the page... Commented Oct 7 at 7:58
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    I don't think I (or anyone else) can give any feedback which hasn't already been given a hundred times before (to deaf ears), including things like literally nobody of your current users want an AI prompt anywhere, least of all rubbed in their face. Also I'm not going to learn the secret meaning of some twenty new nondescript monochrome icons. If you push through these design changes it is going to be the last straw, I promise not to complain about them since I will simply leave. No users means no complaints, success! Commented Oct 8 at 9:18
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    The homepage is hard to parse without the distinguishing borders and new conventions of e.g. rearranged vote count. The sidebar icon list reminds me of Mystery meat navigation, why is everything shoved in there and the top bar empty now? Feels all wrong and weird, harder to use for no reason. Commented Oct 8 at 10:26
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    @Lundin from what I've seen, such as in the SO lobby chat, the assertion that no users what AI prompt is false. I suppose one could debate over whether those new users count as "current", but maybe we could avoid hyperbole here? (for the record, I'm not saying this to show support of more AI chat things) Commented Oct 8 at 10:48
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    @starball Just review the various feedback threads for the various AI initiatives over the past years. Can you find a single feedback answer saying "Oh this is a nice and helpful feature, but-..." Commented Oct 8 at 10:50
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    Please, please, please, try designing this not with placeholder content but with the actual questions, answers, and users that have made SO what it is. The hypothetical Stack Overflow that this appears to be designed for is not the one that exists today, and likely will never be. Commented Oct 10 at 10:25
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    The AI upsell doesn't seem OK and I hate the style of icons. No, you don't need one line in the + to cut the other, it is the most cliché thing ever Commented Oct 20 at 16:58
  • I have to say that I do like the current "Welcome back, {user}" panel and I wish it would not be removed. Personally, I love to be able to see in the homepage my results and progress towards achievements and reputation. Furthermore, I agree with @TylerH, the current topbar looks way better than the new one Commented Oct 28 at 11:37

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Questions are way too far down the line in the new design. From 2nd to 7th (!) in your example.

This is still a Q&A network, right?

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  • this. I use a small screen, so the left panel is collapsed. clicking menu > questions is probably my most frequent navigational move on the site on which I spend 99.999% of my time on SE. it looks as if that will now be slower to access, more difficult to select and more error prone when I'm in a hurry. the other thing I use a great deal is notifications and I cannot even find that in the mockup. Commented Oct 6 at 16:57
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    "This is still a Q&A network, right?" -> Less and less every day... It's starting to feel more like a failing social media platform than anything else :( Commented Oct 6 at 21:07
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    At least they forgot to put AI above "Home". Commented Oct 7 at 11:18
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    At a minimum, Popular (which I assume means Popular Questions) should swap places with Questions. (The Questions page became my home page since the Home page update.) I neither know nor care what AI Assist is--why would I want to assist an AI? Commented Oct 8 at 5:56
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What is the "ad" in the question feed? It looks like a question but it says "Ad" where question stats (score, answer count, acceptance) are shown.

Question list with an ad between other questions.

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    It's a concept and not on the roadmap right now. Commented Oct 6 at 18:59
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    Ads in the middle is one of Reddit's most annoying features. But they are at least much more clearly not-content on Reddit. The 'concept' shown in the image amounts to a legitimisation of spam if the poster pays. On TeX SE spam disappears very quickly, even if there are no moderators about. I'm not sure how motivated people will be to help with identifying and deleting non-paying spam if paying spam becomes a site feature. Commented Oct 6 at 20:12
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    @cfr Eh, I feel Reddit at least has made their inline ads progressively more content-like and at this point I'd say they're not much different than this example. Commented Oct 6 at 22:08
  • @BryanKrause I have not spent much time on Reddit for some while, so my comment may not be current, for sure. Commented Oct 6 at 22:09
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    @Piper If its not on the roadmap, why is it in the image? Commented Oct 7 at 1:42
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    @user1937198 It was created as a talking point for one of our stakeholders. There are many conversations to happen from this point to the point of putting it on the roadmap including community opinion, potential revenue, and resources to build it vs something else. Commented Oct 7 at 14:07
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    @Piper So, its use as a public communication point was a 'this is what we had', rather than a primarily focused on 'this is what we expect to do'. Yes its more work to create a dedicated for public release, but wouldn't that make it a lot more clear what exactly you are trying to communicate to people who have no visibility of whats on the roadmap? Commented Oct 7 at 14:24
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    @user1937198 It would make this a lot easier, but it's going to take awhile to figure out what will make it what won't and I didn't want you all to have to wait. My team worked really hard to get this all to you this quickly. Plus, I think it's fair that you all have a look at the things being discussed, whether they make it or not. Commented Oct 7 at 14:30
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    @Piper How can we possibly give useful feedback if an unknown number of things in the images aren't even what you're wanting feedback on?!? This is just like the rebranding with the terrible colours and logos, and no one knew what exactly we were meant to even be looking at. If your images aren't ready for public consumption, then please wait before posting them! We would rather wait for an image that makes sense than look at ones filled with unofficial concepts that you don't want feedback on. Commented Oct 8 at 23:10
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  1. Why's content - things relevant to someone using the site hidden way under a site switcher - communities should be below that. Also, since we've gotten chat back, meta should be under content.

  2. How are communities selected to be in the sidebar?

  3. The sidebar in the color and typography page was a lot more crowded. It feels like y'all are copying reddit's design but the way people consume information on reddit is very different from stack exchange and stack overflow. How does someone select the sites they want? What's the other ways to find a site? What happens when you click on a sidebarred site?

  4. So carrying on from the answer to the first look question. What does clicking on a communities link look like? If its all SO, how is someone going to know they're on a seperate site?

  5. Which homepage? SO's homepage was very.. unsuccessfully used as a billboard for a bit. And once again, I'm concerned about potential confusion if this is the stackexchange.com landing page.

  6. What's "create"? on the new landing page do? It puts AI front and center so how do we onboard users to the more 'traditional' SE experience from there?

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    Great questions! 1. We put communities up top because we wanted to be community > content. But if you think this would be hinderance to how you use the site, let us know. This isn't set in stone. 2. They are the communities you've joined. 3/4. If you select your community, you would navigate to that site. We are basically replacing the site switcher from the top nav. So if you are on SO, you'd see Pets. If you select Pets you would be redirected to Pets and it would look similar to how it looks today for our initial release. Commented Oct 6 at 17:49
  • Opening in a new tab, if possible might be less surprising I suspect in that case. Commented Oct 6 at 17:52
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    5. This is SO's homepage. But with the removing of the SE name, I suspect it will need look like the SE homepage at some point in the future. 6a. Create is a more neutral term for Ask question. Language here isn't set in stone and will likely go through some a/b tests. 6b. LOVE THIS. There needs to be a bridge between AI and our community. Right now AI is capturing people that want an answer fast, but what if AI doesn't work? Can it redirect people to participating in our communities? We don't have this bridge right now, but I think we need it. Commented Oct 6 at 17:52
  • Also - one of the bad things with redesigns is things get hidden, and people can't find them. I'd say it had a bad effect on chat and meta when it was put in the top bar. People need to find the tools for the place they're in first so to me, I'd rather have site navigation on top If I'm switching sites, the site I'm on now is not my primary focus any more. Commented Oct 6 at 17:54
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    Well I'm an AI skeptic so I'm expecting the AI features to be sunset when the bubble bursts ;). I'd ask what a new user (or an old one) is going to think when they see a button labelled create - and how best to set the expectations for them. Ask Questions says what it does on the tin. What does create do? What's the story someone should expect from it? Commented Oct 6 at 17:56
  • I don’t see how there can be a way to “bridge the gap” between the Q&A community and the thing that pulled people away from it so drastically. The reasons for that withdrawal haven’t been fixed and aren’t on the roadmap as of yet. Commented Oct 6 at 18:18
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    @Piper but why should 'create' mean 'ask' rather than 'answer', 'comment', 'add a new tag' etc. 'create' is ambiguous since lots of activities on the site involve creating content. In particular, answering questions involves creating content. Commented Oct 6 at 20:00
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    @Piper I also think 'create' is likely to be a less familiar term for non-native speakers. If somebody is struggling with English, I would guess 'ask' is a much more helpful term than 'create'. Besides also applying to accounts, pottery and mischief, 'create' is a much less basic word than 'ask'. 'Asking for directions' is a typical topic for language learners. 'Creating questions about directions' not so much. Commented Oct 6 at 20:05
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    @Piper If you think community > content: What do you think stack overflow is? What happened to ask questions, get answers? What do you see as stackoverflow's USP vs facebook or discord or reddit? Why would someone want to stay on stackoverflow specifically? Commented Oct 7 at 1:47
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    @user1937198 Putting it bluntly, AI happened to ask questions, get answers. When getting unblocked, not everyone wants to also add to a library of knowledge and worry about whether their question fits in as a unique piece in said library. So those users go to AI and our traffic and content creation goes down and we (the company) have to ask ourselves, what makes us unique then? Humans helping other humans does. Some may say this is community. That is how we came to the decision to put those elements above the content elements. It doesn't mean its right and we are open to feedback here. Commented Oct 7 at 14:12
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    sure, devs helping devs, but you haven't done anything to promote devs helping devs. The asking process, curation, motivations for people to parcitipate, all still drive in the direction of an adversarial interface between asker, answer, and curator. Throwing an AI Assist up top or showing other communities isn't a fix... this is absurd. Commented Oct 7 at 14:34
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    Content SHOULD be more important than community, because with humans helping humans, it's the help that's entire reason these sites even exist. If we want to talk about people, we'll go to facebook like our grandparents. Don't try to compete with Facebook, SO will lose. Commented Oct 8 at 11:55
  • I was thinking more about - people are on a site to engage with that community, not others. And while I'm active in multiple communities, I.. bookmark those and rarely use the site switcher. I guess I'm atypical tho Commented Oct 8 at 12:13
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    Also - @Piper I'm a concerned with the language used that the Stack Exchange brand being sunset is a done thing. There has been no community consultation done about it. Commented Oct 9 at 10:40
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We've moved the "Ask Question" button to the top navigation bar to make it more prominent and easier to access from anywhere on the site.

Where? I don't see anything on the "new navigation bar" that would make me think I could use it to ask a question. Based on your screenshot, moving left to right across the nav bar, this is what I see:

  • An awkward amount of whitespace.
  • A double-curly-brace icon next to a magnifying glass. The magnifier is the universal symbol for search so maybe this is a search feature? The color scheme would imply that the portion with the magnifying glass is an interactive text field, but that doesn't make sense with only an icon there. If that part is actually a button, there's nowhere to type in a search term. The brace icon resembles the icon used in the new left column for "AI Assist", so I'll assume this activates some sort of AI feature and is simply located next to the search bar in hopes that someone mis-clicks it when trying to search. If this is an AI button, isn't it redundant with the "AI Assist" button on the left column? It makes much more sense over on the left.
  • A search box, similar to the current one but inexplicably half the size. An odd decision when the left half of the bar is completely empty. Scrolling left and right in a text field is annoying on a desktop PC and borderline infuriating on a touchscreen. Longer search fields reduce the likelihood that your query will overflow the box and require scrolling.
  • A "Create" button. There's no indication of what exactly I'd create by clicking it.
  • A bell icon, which I'm assuming is the replacement for the "inbox" icon that shows messages and rep changes. A bell normally means "notifications". If I wasn't an experienced site user that already knew that you get notifications for these things, I likely wouldn't have made that connection.
  • A square image that I'm assuming is a profile icon. Hint: it would be far easier to compare the two designs if you used the same profile icons, fake logged-in user, sample content, etc. on both sets of screenshots.

Given the available options, I'd probably say the "Create" button is the most likely to hide a question creation function. But why do I have to guess? I thought it was supposed to be "prominent"? Why not a button that says "Ask a Question"? The only reason I would be able to find that functionality is because you told me ahead of time that an "ask question" button was hidden there somewhere.

Please, never forget that a significant number of users of this site do not speak English as their primary language. Some manage to stumble through the site using minimal English skills, and others rely on translation software. Labeling a button "Create" when it really means "Ask a question" is the type of indirect labeling that becomes indecipherable to non-native speakers. It may seem synonymous to you, but it's an isolated word on a page with no context. It can easily be translated into something that no longer resembles the meaning that you intend. Heck, I'm a native English speaker, and I'm no more than 50% confident that I understand what that button is supposed to do.

This is also where non-textual communication is important. The old search bar had the universally-recognized magnifying glass icon in it. You could thus identify it as a search bar even if the entire page was rendered in Wingdings. The new search bar lacks this, and relies on the user understanding the "Search" watermark (which likely disappears when you click in the box, leaving you with a blank and completely unlabeled text field). Making this more confusing is the magnifying glass that's placed to the left of it, seemingly as part of a completely different UI element. I'd be tempted to type in a search query and then click the magnifying glass icon to perform the search, but I'd suspect that something completely different would happen in this proposed new UI. The magnifying glass there makes no sense in and of itself, and is actively misleading when placed next to a search field.

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Posting AI generated content is not allowed on most of the sites. That AI assist prompt on the top, should be accompanied with very visible warning that using AI when writing posts on sites is not allowed.

Based on my experience as Stack Overflow moderator, the small banner you are showing over the answer window will no longer suffice. If nothing else, you would have to make that answer banner non dismissible.

Even now, too many people close that banner, some even without reading it properly, and then forget that it ever existed. Others who are aware of AI policies, after seeing new AI features prominently displayed all over will take that as a signal that using AI is now allowed.

This only creates friction between users who post AI without being properly informed about AI policies and moderators who are tasked with removing such content.

Instead of building on sites' strength, human experts, you will be turning the sites into another place dominated with a mostly useless chat prompt. Please don't do that.

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    I'm not sure on the text box would be the best place, but perhaps near the response itself? A fair request though and one I'll take back to the team. Commented Oct 6 at 19:02
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    @Piper Thank you. At the moment we are still featuring AI policy Meta post on Stack Overflow, because many users are genuinely confused and don't know what is the current AI policy, or they never knew we even have one. Commented Oct 6 at 19:09
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    @Piper Maybe don't show a useless GenAI prompt on sites where GenAI slop is explicitly banned? Like SO, where it is banned for the reason that, contrary to laymen popular belief, GenAI cannot actually be used for writing programs and is unreliable at best when suggesting self-contained snippets. Toying around with chat bots seems like something that should be restricted to sites like genai.stackexchange.com for the same reason as why SO doesn't contain other such recreational content like video games or Internet memes: they would be blatantly off-topic and distracting. Commented Oct 21 at 8:43
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So... you're just going to shove AI assist front and center. great. that's surely not going to hurt our user engagement problem and chase away anyone who actually wanted to contribute to our cause..

Does the top section go away if we aren't in any "communities" (i assume this is collectives rebranded? not to be confused with "communities" in the left nav-column that's for other sites?)

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  • I see some SE sites there so - I think its part of the assimilation process Commented Oct 6 at 16:53
  • Ah, i see. so it's ads for other communites. I hate it, as someone who primarily uses the home page. Commented Oct 6 at 16:56
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    Well as they plan now - the other communities would be stack overflow branded as well, so its a more handy site switcher. I don't hate the idea, just that the branding aspects don't sit right with me. Commented Oct 6 at 17:01
  • Looking at it more it looks like they're even including chatrooms in it kinda? also calling it "join community", unless they have a new unreleased "community" feature incoming. very confusing. Commented Oct 6 at 17:03
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    "So... you're just going to shove AI assist front and center." given it's above all the other content, I suggest we call it the Stack OverBot. Commented Oct 6 at 17:06
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    To make the "i hate it" more constructive... what i hate is being more or less force-fed content i'm not looking for. I'm not looking to join more communities. I'm not looking for ai assist. Why is all of this more prominent than the actual reason people come here and why is none of this configurable I just want my watched questions highlighted, not shoehorned into the top of the question list. I want my ignored questions de-emphasized, even when they come up in a search that should include them. Simple things, that we used to have. Commented Oct 6 at 17:17
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    I really appreciate the reframe to constructive feedback Kevin. Someone asked about making community discovery dismissible and I think it's an absolutely valid option! We understand that your homepage should be all about you. 90% of our users visit SO to get unblocked and unfortunately AI can help unblock some of them faster. While I appreciate that most people on meta aren't here to simply get unblocked, we want to help those who are. You are right though. There is a bridge from getting your answer to becoming a member of our communities that isn't yet there. Commented Oct 6 at 18:09
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    @Piper I want to be able to switch communities easily, but I want 95% of the screen space and all the most immediate tools to concern the site I'm on. Switching to another SE site is a shift of focus. It isn't something I want to do continually, whereas refreshing the list of questions or viewing notifications for the site I'm on pretty much is. Commented Oct 6 at 20:20
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    That's a great point @cfr. I'm definitely seeing a pattern regarding navigation order throughout the feedback. One of the top pieces I'll take away Commented Oct 6 at 20:23
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    What happened to the concept of giving users control of their homepage design, @Piper? You're designing these elements more and more for non-users and hampering the normal usage of active users who just want to get stuff done - not ask a question. Commented Oct 6 at 22:32
  • @Catija why are users who ask a question "non-users" to you? Commented Oct 7 at 14:01
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    @Piper Why does that matter for the question I'm asking? Maybe it wasn't the best choice of wording but that's a distraction. My point is - what happened to the plan to make the site more customizable so that y'all don't have to worry so much about designing something that is useful to highly-active, engaged users who don't want to be asked "What do you want to learn today?" every time they go to the homepage? Y'all clearly are planning to cater to the bulk of the people accessing the site - fine... but how are you going to meet the needs of people here because they want to be. Commented Oct 7 at 15:03
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    The thing is, there's a difference between asking questions and learning. I'm not aware of any research that shows users come here to "learn". My understanding is, they come here to get unstuck and get back on their way to doing whatever they were doing before coming here. I understand this is "dressing for the job you want", but it puts the core community in an uncomfortable spot because the content on these platforms is not geared towards "learning". - it's geared towards problem solving. Commented Oct 7 at 15:08
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    I mean, i came here to practice my skills, is that coming here to learn? but i certainly wasn't here to see the content that was already here, i was here to create new content. If i recall correctly, in the past it was found that new users were our largest block of active answerers, i'm not sure how encouraging it is to future answerers to see a chatbot up front that provides answers from outside of SO. Commented Oct 7 at 15:21
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We put communities up top because we wanted to be community > content.

This is a Q&A site, not a social media forum. You have a community because of the content, not the other way around.

If I go to SO, I want to see the stuff pertinent to SO. If I wanted to see cooking Q&A, I would've just gone there in the first place. I don't go to a hardware store to get directions to a sandwich shop. The only other stack I would want to visit when on SO is Meta. Even if for some reason I couldn't remember the URL for one of the a hundred or so stacks that exist, odds are I'm not going to find it as one of the 3 random ones on the side, and I'm going to have to go to the hamburger menu.

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How would users log out?

Just to be clear, this is a very serious question. We currently have enough users asking it that it is part of the FAQ for Stack Overflow and frequently used as a duplicate for yet another user who cannot find the button.

And now I cannot find it in the new design.

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    These are very early concepts and so all of the pieces have not been thought of. But I was not aware that it was so bad we had it as a part of our FAQ. I'll let the team know. Commented Oct 6 at 20:37
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What are the communities?

They seem to be pretty important if they are above the question feed. But this seems to be the first I know of them.

Also, the design shows them as a permanent feature. Users are supposed to always be looking for new communities. The example does not seem to allow for collapsing or dismissing this search.

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    These are the Stack Exchange sites that you are currently a part of. If you aren't a part of anything but SO, the left nav will be empty. Great feedback. I suspect we can build in some sort of collapse or dismissal into the homepage filter. Commented Oct 6 at 17:56
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    @Piper there is no site for "Python Newbies". Unless it's just illustrative and doesn't correspond to any existing site/stack/community. There is Game Development for the "Game Devs" community but the "Indie hackers" is also a mystery. My best guess is Freelancing. Are they really supposed to be existing sites in the Stack Exchange ecosystem? Commented Oct 6 at 18:00
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    @VLAZ: Presumably it's just a design mockup, and the placeholders in those images don't actually correspond to real sites. Commented Oct 6 at 18:28
  • V2Blast is correct Commented Oct 6 at 18:59
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    Why would someone add confusion by adding sites that don't exist on SE to a space in the design specifically for SE sites? Make it obvious to us by only showing actual SE sites. Being a mockup isn't an excuse to just make up fake things - particularly when you're dealing with a community already convinced the company has no clue what's going on on the platform. Commented Oct 6 at 22:34
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    @Piper "SE sites that you are currently a part of" means having an account there? Do you have any "research" that suggests users are struggling to navigate to other SE sites they signed up for? If not, then I don't understand why you feel the need to put them front and center. If I want to go to another SE site such as vim.SE, I just... go there, I don't need a big widget with a picture and description text shoved into my face. And as there currently 182 SE sites you can have accounts on but there is only space for three of them in the mockup, this seems even more like a waste of space. Commented Oct 7 at 8:54
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Improved site switcher: We've moved the site switcher, making it easier to jump directly between all the communities you use.

I assume this:

New Communities widget showing three entries.

It takes one less click but I cannot see how to reach other communities that are not pinned. I often find myself opening the site switcher to search for some site, even if I am not a user there. I might just need to find which site is applicable for a question in order to suggest it to somebody. Or check on something then maybe not return for another six months.

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    Do people actually use that thing for favourites? Every site I regularly visit is bookmarked, and my browser autocompletes after a few letters or has it in quick access on mobile. I only use such navigation to find the sites which I don’t frequent. Commented Oct 7 at 4:45
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    @MisterMiyagi I use the site switcher. When I'm here, that is. Commented Oct 10 at 0:42
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Unfortunately a lot of these updates presume that people have enabled "Show left navigation" in the settings; some people do and some do not, and those that don't always seem to lose some functionality which is not duplicated in the tabs that are used when the sidebar is disabled.

Look at the depleted Menu on the: https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions webpage:

"Newest Questions" page has options for "Newest", "Active", "Bountied", "Unanswered", and a menu for "More" which has "Frequent", "Score", "Trending", "Week", "Month", "Unanswered (my tags)", and "CUSTOM FILTERS"

As updates came to the left navigation they were not updated in the sub-top-menu (?) , or a sub-sub-top-menu added to incorporate the additional features (such as: Chat (for the default site-specific chat), Teams, and on SO, the Collectives).

Worse is that the skinny left menu presumes that on mobile browsers (even in Desktop Mode view) we have easily usable rollovers (and Toast); instead we must press and hold, then back button.

It's obviously (?) not a simple matter of swiping the pointer arrow down the left side, the aforementioned key sequence must be repeated for each item on the left side when searching for the item you want (until you learn which is which).

Before the left navigation was too wide eating up too much valuable screen, now It's going to be too skinny (taking up space, and not providing much information).

It would be OK if you did have a desktop computer and mouse but on a cellphone (which is used well over 50% of the time, according to stats from a few years ago) you'd like to turn left navigation off, but now we are going to be missing out on even more info.

A great way to have both is the upper left Hamburger, but it suffers from the unsynchronized updating problem too; though slightly less bad:

hamburger dropdown has "Home", "Questions", "Unanswered", "Tags", "Saves", "Chat", and "Users"

If you fixed the missing toppings in the Hamburger to duplicate the left navigation menu when it's disabled that would be an easy fix.

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I do not see a way in the new navigation to access reviews or the 10k tools (currently, only accessible through the review queues dropdown).

How would these be accessed under the new navigation?

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The "Stack Overflow" at the top of the nav column: is that going to be present on every stack, similar to how "Stack Exchange" is currently, not linking to the current site but instead taking the user away from the current site, something site logos typically don't do on most websites?

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    I'm not sure if we will change the logo before we change the URLs. That feels odd. With that in mind, I doubt we will change any functionality there either for the first iteration of this. Commented Oct 6 at 18:12
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    This wasn't really about the logo being changed... it was about whether or not we're going to continue having a site logo at the top that doesn't link to the home page of the current community. If that link is eventually going to link to stackoverflow.com, that is going to cause a lot more off topic questions. Currently it links to stackexchange, where you can't ask a question and it's immediately obvious you've gone to the wrong place. Commented Oct 7 at 16:06
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Given the new communities section on the left, does it show communities you've hidden?

A lot of people "join" communities just for one action or another at some point and never really are a part of the community or intend to participate there, or join it for site functionality or to test something stack has decided to only test one one community. There's even some who use a script to join literally every community so they can either earn badges or download the full data dump (since that promised feature doesn't exist yet.) If it showed hidden communities it'd be pretty useless to anyone who uses "join community" in a way outside of your intended way.

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    Helpful! We will probably need to pull some data on average number of communities per person and decide how much customization around a feature like this we would need to build to support folks who are in 183 communities. Like letting most recent communities raise to the top and the rest being under a view more? Definitely more discovery to be done here. Commented Oct 7 at 16:39
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    @Piper there is an existing feature for this (the site switcher in the SE/Burger menu at the to right). And that allows the users to manually select the pinned communities. Any purely automatic mechanism here would be seriously annoying and make usability much worse. Commented Oct 7 at 17:02
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    @MadScientist Thanks Mad! Hopefully we can just reuse that then :) Commented Oct 7 at 17:04
  • @Piper Were you really not aware of the site switcher? What? If that's the case then please spend a few days actually using the existing site before proposing any more changes to it! You can't call this a redesign if you are unaware of what it was originally - it's just a design! Commented Oct 8 at 23:20
  • I mean... this isn't a final design, it's a preview for us to critique, no need to be hostile/insulting about it. The existing site switcher might not even be included in the future design. Commented Oct 8 at 23:32
  • @KevinB Surely the head of the redesign should be familiar with the existing design. Unless I've misunderstood Piper's role? Commented Oct 8 at 23:41
  • does it matter for the feedback you are trying to provide? It appears as though you just don't think it's necessary, because an existing site switcher exists... that i can't see in the proposed designs, so.... :shrug: maybe you've missed that bit? maybe this is just a sample and there will be a site switcher in the top bar of the final design and it will be duplicated in the left bar? i don't think we really know at this point. Commented Oct 8 at 23:51
  • @KevinB That wasn't at all my point. My point was that people involved with the redesign should be familiar with the current design. Not necessarily 100% of what is here now, but surely at least they would've clicked all the buttons on the top bar? Commented Oct 9 at 0:08
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This is less a thing of design and more of functionality but I don't like that the AI assistant is integrated with the homepage.

As you know it's not giving attributions or not always giving attributions and if it's giving some attribution, it's not mentioning who edited the comment last or showing the full text as written by a human but just showing a summary and maybe the main author except in the cases where it takes the content completely from an outside service, which however surely also was trained on SE content.

This feels like a devaluation of the human work that went into building this library and makes me not wanting to contribute to it anymore.

I could answer technical Q&A, but that would only result in showing other people some minced version of the content and my name much less often than it should. That's not what I want.

I would have left the AI assistant in the side bar.

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The left-hand navigation can still be collapsed and will now be pinned to the left side of your screen.

Is that on the homepage or everywhere? I prefer it to not take up screen space. But I can live with it just being on the homepage.

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    That will be available everywhere Commented Oct 6 at 18:12
  • I am actually fine with it if it's pinned to the side of the viewport. The problem with the current left nav (and the reason why I disabled it) is that it actually took up space in the content area. But if it's pinned to the side presumably it won't actually use up space for content and it also looks unobtrusive with icons only. Commented Oct 6 at 19:07
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    @CaveJohnson I don't want the icons, either. They are visually distracting. Especially the colourful ones for the different stacks/communities. And I like using a vertical monitor because you can fit a lot more information down than to the side. This is what the page looks when it is 1080px wide. Adding even the collapsed menu with the icons there is taking up valuable screen estate I can use. Commented Oct 6 at 19:16
  • Agreed about the colors, if they can make it grayscale or just white-on-black/black-on-white, that would be better. Also hopefully they will keep the transition to dropdown when the viewport is a certain width. Commented Oct 6 at 19:36
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As an answerer and curator, not a question asker, my main goal is to get to my custom filters so I can view questions that I am likely to be able to answer; these are still missing from your newly designed homepage. This is really frustrating. There are several types of different users that come to the site and the askers are just one part of that user base. It is the one that Stack Overflow Inc likely depend on the most for getting the initial traffic, yes, but the answerers produce the content that your visitors rely on; an unanswered question isn't going to help the user that depends on Stack Overflow for solutions, just tell someone else they had the problem. You end up wondering what Denvercoder9 did see.

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I realise you can't please everybody, but you could either select a more neutral layout or allow people more options in terms of configuration.

My eyes do not work together. This means I experience, basically, two distinct visual fields. My right eye is dominant and focuses well. This is the eye I read with. It is the eye I navigate websites with. My left eye cannot focus as well. Most of the time, I am not consciously aware of the image from this eye. (I presumably get some information from it, since I have some degree of depth perception, though much less than binocular vision provides.)

Right now on SE, I only really have to find one important thing on the left: Questions from the drop-down menu. Notifications, chat etc. are on the top right, which, as it happens is helpful to me.

In contrast, the new design pushes a lot of crucial links to the left and down. As it happens, that is worse for me in two ways.

First, important things are harder to focus on and select.

Second, important things on the left will tend to draw my attention, which makes it harder for my brain to suppress the image from my left eye.

I hope it is obvious that I am not suggesting putting these things on the right instead.

The top is relatively neutral, at least for the (extremely limited!) ophthalmic conditions I'm aware of.

Better still would be some flexibility so users can configure the layout to suit themselves.

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I see questions listed together without indications of what communities they are part of. Has this feed been changed to only show questions from one community at a time?

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    This is just for the Stack Overflow homepage and does not replace the Stack Exchange homepage at this time therefore you are correct, it does only show the one community. Commented Oct 8 at 14:20
  • @Piper thank you! So there are no current plans to create one combined homepage that replaces all community homepages? Commented Oct 8 at 14:53
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    @Piper I know you said your goal was to get this out to us ASAP, but please be aware that it’s really, really confusing if one doesn’t know which parts are representative of changes and which are just meaningless placeholders. Commented Oct 8 at 15:13
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Personally, I think the new UI is still way to cluttered. For more than 10 years I have been using custom CSS and ublock to hide lots of elements on the pages. I guess I will just update that when the new design hits (as I always do when another thing is added to the pages). For example, here is a snippet from ublock:

stackoverflow.com###hot-network-questions > ul
stackoverflow.com##.p0.s-sidebarwidget__items.s-sidebarwidget--content
stackoverflow.com##.pb12.s-anchors.s-sidebarwidget
stackoverflow.com##.mb8.mt32.ps-relative.js-freemium-cta
stackoverflow.com##.js-sticky-leftnav.left-sidebar--sticky-container
stackoverflow.com##.pb16.ai-center.d-flex.s-sidebarwidget--header

I also do this to not get distracted while working. Just now I got distracted, read this post and wrote this answer, because I did not remove the "featured on meta" box on one of the pages.

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When the left menu is collapsed down to a vertical ribbon with just icons, does it expand on hover the same way many other menus like this do?

This menu expanding on hover would be very annoying for anyone who keeps their web browser in a second monitor on the right, because every time you move your mouse from one monitor to another it will expand briefly as you pass over it (or get stuck open till you return)

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Without color, the icons all run together.

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