The Walrus King Wrote: Using it like a spellchecker, or grammar checker: Totally fine.

Rewriting passages it says are wrong or confusing: Also fine, but don't let it take away your voice. Especially conversations between characters.

Letting it rephrase your writing and use the AI's voice....this is where you start to have a crap story that sounds like all other ai stories. 

The more you use ai, the worse it gets.

even if you use it as a Spell checker I suggest you to read your own chapter at least twice. because a I have really bad habit changing your writing.

Saltius Wrote: I have to totally agree with you. I have written something and I didn't even give The explanation deleveratly and ask you just to fix my grammar and spelling. But awesome stupid no reason he started explained stuff and I have to Edit my chapter for hours

H Behevras Wrote: Yeah, even with the same AI, whenever I check the grammar, it somehow gave different answers. Like one said it should be past tense, the other said past continuous tense. I don't know the difference and didn't know which I should use.

I'm afraid, this exactly shows how AI technology has evolved. If it were a simple grammar machine from the past, it would only give one answer. 
But reality is complex. I mean different tenses are used for their own reasons, sometimes not as a matter of right or wrong. As an AI user, one shouldn't just look at the final answer the AI gives. The user should also ask it to present its reasoning alongside, and then see which reasoning fits the context of the sentence. (Bah, sometimes the reasons AI gives neither fit I should say)

TreeWithoutRoots Wrote: I spend more than half an hour editing the things AI haschanged

Half an hour? Yikes. I spend more than that just rereading my work. Editing what I wrote takes 2-3 hours at least. When I need to fix sections it can be even more. If I needed to correct all that AI did and then a final proof? 

I'm not the fastest writer. I'm a master procrastinator. But the work gets the time and respect I want to give my readers.

E.M. Dash Wrote:

MistOverSnow Wrote: All of the 'suggestions' are crap in my experience. I briefly tried grammarly and deleted it more than a year ago. It wants to replace words with their more commonly used similar sounding words. Odious and odiferous are not synonyms. Delegated and designated mean different things.

Grammarly is good for typos and punctuation, and sometimes it will highlight a problem I missed, but blindly taking all the advice is a bad move. I run everything I write for RR through the free version of Grammarly and it does not like it when I use 'like'. So often, it will suggest changing it to 'as if', even when like is better.

When I first started writing web novels I tried to remove ALL of the Grammarly highlighted issues (this was an earlier version before AI was added, there would be lots of yellow highlights). It resulted in fragmented sentences. It's easy to fix 'errors' if your sentences are all short.

Assuming you are only looking for basic grammar help, I can't imagine any of the AIs being better. At least with Grammarly it has rules, which I assume humans have created. With the AIs, they are copying how we write, that's going to include our grammar mistakes. Or, for those who use AI, has it got over this limitation?

I'll admit I'm making some assumptions here, so could be wrong.

before publishing our chapter we must at least read our chapter top to bottom at least twice. if you just take the answer AI is giving out there is a high chance. it will ruin the way you might have wanted to write

MistOverSnow Wrote:

TreeWithoutRoots Wrote: I spend more than half an hour editing the things AI haschanged

Half an hour? Yikes. I spend more than that just rereading my work. Editing what I wrote takes 2-3 hours at least. When I need to fix sections it can be even more. If I needed to correct all that AI did and then a final proof? 

I'm not the fastest writer. I'm a master procrastinator. But the work gets the time and respect I want to give my readers.

Same. Sometimes writing is tiring on some days, but it usually takes me about 5 hours. However, when I'm doing it, I don't notice the time passing. But the English localization part really kills me.

ayebcee Wrote:

TreeWithoutRoots Wrote: but it may use the AI’s voice and tone

This part is critical. For me a work lives or dies by the voice and tone, what's the point getting bored by the AI one? If you're just using it for grammar, it shouldn't mess with you voice/tone anyway unless you blindly copy-paste stuff – and if you do put that little care into your work, why should a reader?

TreeWithoutRoots Wrote: If not for the Ai taking care about the editing side i might have taken one or two days just to write one chapter.

Seems still crazy fast tbh. Don't think I ever wrote a chapter in less than two days.

LuaresB Wrote: I use it to translate my texts from my native language into English, but sometimes (almost always) the AI ignores my instructions and changes how I write, leaving my paragraphs fragmented (as I call it). Sometimes changing words alters even the context of the scene, which ends up stressing me out quite a bit, since it takes up the time I spent writing just to edit sometimes.

Oh trust me Sisters it is a bad idea. Ai is absolutely bad at translating huge text. If you so that make one of your friends who is good with english read it beforehand publishing

LuaresB Wrote:

MistOverSnow Wrote:

TreeWithoutRoots Wrote: I spend more than half an hour editing the things AI haschanged

Half an hour? Yikes. I spend more than that just rereading my work. Editing what I wrote takes 2-3 hours at least. When I need to fix sections it can be even more. If I needed to correct all that AI did and then a final proof? 

I'm not the fastest writer. I'm a master procrastinator. But the work gets the time and respect I want to give my readers.

Same. Sometimes writing is tiring on some days, but it usually takes me about 5 hours. However, when I'm doing it, I don't notice the time passing. But the English localization part really kills me.

Well depends on how big the chapter is. When i used to write 3 to 4 k chapter per day it took 4 to 5 hours. Now my chapters are 1100 words around that. So I'd Doesn't take much time. I have read it **** ton of novel and books plus my writing is fast and my english is good. So it is easier for me.

MistOverSnow Wrote:

TreeWithoutRoots Wrote: I'm not the fastest writer. I'm a master procrastinator. But the work gets the time and respect I want to give my readers.

I am a really fast writer and procrastination is not a thing for me. Let me give you a authorly suggestion use read aloud website or app to read it aloud and when you find any mistake or changes edit immediately. It will be faster this way. And yes use a pc keyboard to type.

I don't mind AI assisted since my story is also AI assisted. However, you must not copy the whole suggestion from AI.

AI tends to change the arrangement of the story. If you put a certain plot at the beginning, AI will somehow can put that plot at the center. It will then mess up your story on this chapter then.

AI can also add another whole paragraph that you never write. It doesn't mean it will be bad but if it changes the plot of the story, then it's better not include it in your story.

AI can also add another understanding toward your character. For example, there is only a girl at the story yet AI can complicate the characteristic with long hair, blue eyes, sexy waistline, and another different picture.

For my case, I use AI to correct the tone of my story. In the beginning, it's very hard to follow up but with many chapters by then, I can already imagine the tone and the words I would like to use. It feels like I don't need AI anymore since I can already revise my own chapter.

The downside is my chapter is implied of using too much AI words if I try to check it on GPTZero.

Laziness and excuses.

TreeWithoutRoots Wrote:

LuaresB Wrote: I use it to translate my texts from my native language into English, but sometimes (almost always) the AI ignores my instructions and changes how I write, leaving my paragraphs fragmented (as I call it). Sometimes changing words alters even the context of the scene, which ends up stressing me out quite a bit, since it takes up the time I spent writing just to edit sometimes.

Oh trust me Sisters it is a bad idea. Ai is absolutely bad at translating huge text. If you so that make one of your friends who is good with english read it beforehand publishing

Oh. That's the problem, I'm the best at English, haha, or at least the least bad, so everything ends up falling on me. And like every human being, I make mistakes and let them slide. So I always have to revise and review my old chapters.

SaltyFishOcean Wrote: I don't mind AI assisted since my story is also AI assisted. However, you must not copy the whole suggestion from AI.

AI tends to change the arrangement of the story. If you put a certain plot at the beginning, AI will somehow can put that plot at the center. It will then mess up your story on this chapter then.

AI can also add another whole paragraph that you never write. It doesn't mean it will be bad but if it changes the plot of the story, then it's better not include it in your story.

AI can also add another understanding toward your character. For example, there is only a girl at the story yet AI can complicate the characteristic with long hair, blue eyes, sexy waistline, and another different picture.

For my case, I use AI to correct the tone of my story. In the beginning, it's very hard to follow up but with many chapters by then, I can already imagine the tone and the words I would like to use. It feels like I don't need AI anymore since I can already revise my own chapter.

Agreed 

Evercrest Wrote: Laziness and excuses.

Come on man you are pro veteran writer who has written 3 masterpiece you cannot com pair your self with us

'ayebcee' Wrote:

TreeWithoutRoots Wrote: but it may use the AI’s voice and tone

This part is critical. For me a work lives or dies by the voice and tone, what's the point getting bored by the AI one? If you're just using it for grammar, it shouldn't mess with you voice/tone anyway unless you blindly copy-paste stuff – and if you do put that little care into your work, why should a reader?

TreeWithoutRoots Wrote: If not for the Ai taking care about the editing side i might have taken one or two days just to write one chapter.

Seems still crazy fast tbh. Don't think I ever wrote a chapter in less than two days.

TreeWithoutRoots Wrote: read it first and atlest 4 to 5 chapter and ask your self if the story was good.

If the voice doesn't pop on the first page, it most likely isn't.

Yes, it is.

Artemy Mandus Wrote: Yes, it is.

But don't you think it is illogical to not use a tool that can help you find out you mistake before publishing. I am not telling to blindly follow ai i am talking about to give it a consideration may be some plot hole will be discovered or some continuity error will be discovered through ai

TreeWithoutRoots Wrote: But don't you think it is illogical to not use a tool that can help you find out you mistake before publishing. I am not telling to blindly follow ai i am talking about to give it a consideration may be some plot hole will be discovered or some continuity error will be discovered through ai

So what mistakes is it helping you with?
And come on, AI is famous for creating plot holes, forgetting timelines, forgetting characters, and making all kinds of continuity errors. Out of the few things I would trust it with, I trust it least with that.

It's always the Kael havers with so many justifications.

TreeWithoutRoots Wrote: But don't you think it is illogical to not use a tool that can help you find out you mistake before publishing. I am not telling to blindly follow ai i am talking about to give it a consideration may be some plot hole will be discovered or some continuity error will be discovered through ai

The trouble with this is that the AI often doesn't understand what truly is a mistake, and more often will claim its own correction as the very mistake you wanted it to fix. For the individual who has spent years and years studying narrative nuance, prose, and everything else that makes writing and storytelling good, this isn't a problem. For someone who has no idea and/or is trying to use it as a learning tool, they're only setting themselves up for failure.

You will not learn how to light a fire with a pair of sticks if you're only dumping gasoline and lightning a match.