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Greek *H and *h (from PIE *s) optionally changed near *o (Draft)

2024

Abstract

The Saussure Effect is stated in various ways (see below), but in its simplest form it describes loss of *H near *o in Greek, and seeks to find regularity in its cause(s) : *oCHC > *oCC *bremH1- > bremetḗs ‘roar’, *bromH1taH2- > brontḗ ‘thunder’ (1) *terH1- > téretron ‘borer / gimlet’, *torH1mo- > tórmos ‘hole / socket’ *peraH2- > peráō ‘pass/go through’, *porH2tmo- > porthmós ‘ferry / strait’ *telH2-mon- ‘supporting’ > telamṓn ‘pedestal/carrying strap/etc.’, tolmērós ‘enduring/steadfast/ brave’ *gWrH3- ‘devour’, *gWorH3mo- > bórmos \ brómos ‘(wild) oat’ *HCo- > *Co- *H3ligo- > olígos ‘small / few’, *H3loigo- > loigós ‘*diminishing > decimation’ *H2nēr ‘brave / strong / hero?’ > anḗr ‘man’, *+H2nōr >> *H2nōreH1eti > nōreî ‘is active’ *H1lektro-? > ḗlektron ‘amber / electrum’, ēléktōr ‘shining’, loggoúrion / luggoúrion ‘amber’, log(k)oúrion ‘glass’ Though the source of ḗlektron, etc., is not clear, I include them in case ē-e- vs. 0-o- is part of the same change. It also did not affect *-oH- in : *dheH1món- > G. thēmṓn ‘heap’, Bu. dúuman ‘pile / heap’ *dhoH1mó-s > G. thōmós ‘heap’, Ph. dumas ‘barrow?’, Go. dóms, E. doom which would simply be a feature of the scope, if regular, but see below for other examples of *- o(h)m- pointing to optionality. Others are not clear; blōmós ‘morsel of bread’ could be from *gWlH3mo- or *gWloH3mo-, but its resemblance to *gWorH3mo- suggests o-grade. Other words appear to violate one or more of these principles for *-o()CHC-, sometimes of unclear origin : *H2morgWo- > amorbós ‘dark’ (not **morbós) *HmeigW- > ameíbō ‘(ex)change’, amoibḗ (not **moibḗ) *Hrebh-? > eréphō ‘thatch / cover with a roof’, órophos ‘reed used for thatching’ *HleipH- ? > aleíphō ‘anoint’, aloi(m)mós ‘*oiling > polishing/plastering of wall-decoration’ *H2leit- > G. aleítēs \ aloitós ‘sinner / offender / criminal’, Gmc *laiþa- > OE láþ ‘loathsome / hateful / unpleasant / evil’ *H2weid- > G. aeídō ‘speak/sing/crow/hoot/croak/whistle/twang’, aoidós ‘singer / minstrel / bard’, ōidḗ ‘song/lay/ode’ *H2wer- > G. aeírō ‘lift up / raise/support/exalt’, *H2wi- > *awi-awora > aiṓra ‘swing/ hammock/ chariot on springs/noose/seesaw’ *pelH1- > ON felmta ‘be frightened / tremble’, G. pelemízō ‘shake / cause to tremble’, ptólemos / pólemos ‘war’ *klH3mo- > OSx holm ‘hill’, *kolH3mon- > L. columen > culmen ‘top / ridge of house’, G. kolophṓn ‘summit’ *k^orH2k- > R. soróka, Li. šárka ‘magpie’, G. kórax ‘raven’, S. śārikā- ‘mynah / preacher crow’ *kelH2- > Li. kálti ‘strike/hammer’, L. per-cellere ‘strike down’, clāva ‘club’, G. kólaphos ‘buffet/blow/box on the ears’ *(H?)loup-eH1k^o- ‘fox’ > S. lopāśá- \ lopāka-, etc., G. alṓpēx \ alōpós, Ar. ałuēs *melH2- ‘grind / dust’ > G. mólophthos ‘loaf baked in the ashes’, Ar. młeł ‘dust / chaff / ash’ *morHtyo- ? > OSw merði, OIc merð ‘fish-net’, *-ts- > G. mórotton ‘basket made of plaited bark’ ? > G. skórodon / skórdon, Al. hurdhë, Ar. xstor ‘garlic’ ? > L. ervum, G. órobos ‘bitter vetch’, orbo-pṓlēs ‘vetch-seller’ (which seems to show loss of *H in compounds, like G. thálamos ‘inner room’, oph-thalmós ‘*socket > eye’) and if G. adj. in -amos, -anos & -aros came from *H2 (also see plókamos below), it could explain ‘sphodrós \ sphedanós ‘vehement/violent/impetuous’ (sphendónē ‘sling’, sphéndamnos \ spéndanos ‘Montpellier maple’), but their retention in : wólH2mo- > G. oulamós ‘throng of warriors’, [w]ólamos ‘chase’ *H3orbh- > L. orbus ‘bereft’, G. orpho-, orphanós ( >> E. orphan) *wrd-? > G. rhadinós ‘slender/tender/pliable’, rhodanós ‘?’ *(H)wors-? > G. Ouranós ‘(god of) sky/etc.’ etc., would also argue against regularity. For *-(a)ros & *-(a)mnos with loss of -a-, but not caused by *o, also see *new(a)rós > G. nearós ‘young/new/recent’, nebrós ‘fawn’, Ar. nor ‘new’ G. rhádamnos \ rhádāmos \ rhódamnos \ oródamnos \ *w\oradmnos > óramnos ‘branch’, *wradmnos > rhámnos ‘box-thorn’ Also some unclear cases, *k^elH2-? > kélados ‘noise/din/clamor / sound/cry/shout / twitter/ chirp’, kolo-surtós ‘noisy tumult/uproar’, kolōiós ‘racket/brawling’, koloiós ‘jackdaw’, koloíphrux ‘Tanagrian cock’. Pairs like G. thalámē ‘cave/den’, ophthalmós ‘*socket > eye’, with apparent *H > 0 in compounds, would support -amos < *-H2mos, or maybe PIE *-mHo- with optional metathesis, to explain -mos & -Vmos (as if from *-mHos, Italic *-amos, Gmc. *-umaz, etc.). Also against regularity, there seem to be doublets, or near-doublets, like : *plek^- > plékō ‘plait’, *plok-Hmo- > *plok-[H/h]mo- > plókamos / plokhmós ‘braid’ (5) *petH2- ‘extend’, pítnēmi ‘spread (out/open)’, potamós ‘river’, vs. the nearly(?) identical : *petH3- ‘fly / fall’, ptôma ‘a fall’, pótmos ‘what befalls one / fate / lot’ (3) *nemH1- ‘give/take’, *nomH1o- > G. nómos, Dor. noûmmos ‘usage / custom / law’ (2) *smogH1- > G. (s)mogerós ‘suffering hardship’, *smog[h]- > mógos / mókhthos ‘work/toil/ hardship’, *smogh- > Li. smagùs ‘heavy’ *terH1-tro- ‘gnawing / scraping / boring / cutting’ > téretron ‘borer / gimlet’, térthron ‘*point > summit / tip’ (4) *temH1/2-? >> Tómaros \ Tmáros ‘a mtn. with a flattened top’ (others say << *temH2- ‘dark’, but since both had *H, the point remains) and others with unclear loss of *H in dialects (*o not certain) : *gW(o)lH3-kiH2 ‘small drinker / swallower’ > *gloH3khya > G. glôssa, Ion. glássa ‘tongue’, *gluxa > Al. gjuhë, *ghloH3ka > Ph. gloka If plókamos / plokhmós shows that o could cause *H > h / 0, it would be evidence of more irregularity. Maybe the same in mógos / mókhthos, depending on the timing of how some *KH and *HK changed to k/g/gh of all types (Whalen 2024e). Some might show analogy, but other words seem old, like órophos. Some have cognates that indicate they were too old for analogy: G. alṓpēx matching Ar. ałuēs, *potH2-mo- > potamós (matching ON faðmr, OHG fadam, OE fæðm ‘outstretched arms’, E. fathom). Also, if aloi(m)mós were recent and analogical it would not show -m- vs. -mm- (like other old words, Note 2) & would be likely to stll mean ‘*oiling / *anointing’. If *H2wor > áor ‘*raised/ *brandished > sword’, it would be hard to say such an old-seeming word was analogical. I don’t include all proposed examples, but I think there are plenty of good cases in favor & against. It seems impossible to find total regularity here to me, but others disagree and pick and choose which examples are “real” to suit their purposes, based on no set method. I disagree with attempts by opponents of either to try to sweep contradictory examples under the rug, often by proposing very unlikely PIE roots without *H (with bad semantics) instead of with *H, loans, unlikely analogy, etc. Both sides sometimes give evidence that includes bad etymologies or impossible statements: Pronk, “bal̃sas ‘voice’ is certainly not of Indo-European origin either”. This is clearly ridiculous. For the group *bhalso-? > S. bhaṣá-s ‘barking/baying’, bhāṣa- ‘speech’, Li. bal̃sas ‘voice’, what possible reason would make one think, let alone pretend it was proven, that these were not IE? That the same happened in *golHso- > *golso- > Li. gal̃sas proven, that these were not IE? That the same happened in *golHso- > *golso- > Li. gal̃sas ‘sound/echo’, R. gólos ‘voice’, (likely also >> Gmc. *kalz- ‘call / shout’ > ON kalla, OE ceallian, E. call ) makes these graspings unlikely to succeed.

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  1. *bremH1-> bremetḗs 'roar', *bromH1taH2-> brontḗ 'thunder' Despite Byrd's claim that -e-in bremetḗs was secondary, IE *b(h)remH1-can be seen in turning *-mH-> -m(m)-in Gmc. *brim(m)-(other ex. of *NH in 2.) : L. fremere 'murmur / roar', Gmc. *brim(m)-> OE bremman by H-met. creating "lengthened grade", which only happened by *H (Whalen 2025b) : *bhromH1i-> *bhroH1mi-> *bro:mi-> bréme 'illustrious' These are not necessarily related to *bhrem-, *bhres(t)-, etc. 'move quickly / be hurried, rushed, impatient'. In these, *H vs. *0 is not always clear. Other ex. : S. bhramará-'large black bee', OHG bremo 'gadfly', brum(b)ull 'drone/beetle' suggest a relation to *bhremK-: Bg. brŭmkam \ brŭmčŭ 'buzz', *bromko-> Cz. brouk 'beetle', S. bhŕ̥ ṅga(:)-'large black bee', Li. brínkterėti 'crash' Slavic *brĭnkati 'clang/twang/pluck/strum', Th. brunkhós 'guitar/zither', G. phórmigx (with *k-k dissim.?) which also shows *-z-in :
  2. Li. brenzgu 'I clang', *brĭnzgo-> R. brjázgi 'empty gossip' If many *H alternated with *s (Whalen 2024d), then *bhremsk-/ *bhremzg-> *bhremxk-/ *bhremRg-(and similar shifts) might unite them, with some *xk > x / k, maybe *r-R > *R-R also explaining *bhR > br in G.
  3. *nomH1o-> G. nómos, Dor. noûmmos 'usage / custom / law' Dor. noûmmos used -ou-to spell /u/ vs. /ü/ in other dialects & shows o > u/n_m (G. ónoma, Dor/ Aeo. ónuma 'name'); retained *H is seen in *mH > m(m) also in *kmH2aro-> ON humarr, NHG Hummer 'lobster', G. kám(m)aros, *kmH2ar-to-> S. kamaṭha-'turtle / tortoise' (the same for *h from *s in *k(^)e\o-mus-> Li. kermùšė, OHG ramusia, OE hramsa 'wild garlic', G. krómuon \ krém(m)uon 'onion'). Lack of regularity also seen in *tomHo-> tomós 'cutting/ sharp', tómos 'slice', all derivatives of *domH2-'house', etc. Something like this might also be behind some variation in *-mHC-> -m-/ -mm-/ etc.: *k^emH2-dho-> Gmc. *ximda-> E. hind, *k^emdhH2o-> *kemtho-> G. kemphás \ kem(m)ás 'young deer'; *psamH2dho-> G. psámathos \ psámmos 'sand'. Maybe the same for Gmc. -m(m)-in *b(h)remH1-> *brim(m)-> OE bremman; *ramH2-? > ON ram(m)r 'powerful/mighty/strong/bitter', OE ramm 'ram' (*raH2m-> OCS raměnŭ 'severe'). Also for *nH, *g^onHeye-> S. janáyati, Go. kannjan 'make known'. With many ex., I see no need for kannjan to be analogical to kunnan. That *g^noH3H1-'know' really contained 2 H's is seen by the need for n-present *g^noH3H1-ne-> *g^nH3neH1-> S. jānāti \ jānīté. A similar outcome in T. *knānā-tär > TB nanātär 'appear/be presented' & Li. žinóti might show that *H3H1 > *H2H2 ( xWx^ > xx ) preceded n-infixation.
  4. In OI asa-gninaim \ itar-gninim, *-a:-vs. *-i:-( < *-e:-) might show it was optional, or one could be analogy. In Go. kunnan, no need for double *H's is seen, but also nothing against.
  5. *petH2-'extend', potamós 'river'; *petH3-'fly / fall', ptôma 'a fall', pótmos 'what befalls one / fate / lot' I am sympathetic to *petH2-'extend' & *pet(H3)-'fly' being related by 'fly' as a derivation of 'wing' (coming from 'what is extended / shoulder / wing', like other IE), and I think some other roots also show H2 / H3, but I will keep them separate in form here as near-doublets.
  6. *terH1-tro-'gnawing / scraping / boring / cutting' > téretron 'borer / gimlet', térthron '*point > summit / tip' I do not consider térthron < *térH2-tro-<< *terH2-'surpass / cross over' very likely, but in either case *H > 0 would exist. If both -o-in the stem and -os / -on could cause nearby *H > 0, then many other G. words without o-grade would also have lost *H (depending on what "nearby" meant for some ex. with *H-). Why would téretron exist at all, or -V-exist in most derivatives of roots with *-H-? These would show that *o was not the only cause of H-loss, and that both *H of the root and affixes were only optionally deleted. Whichever version is believed, this evidence shows it was not regular. Some or all could be due to *H > *h, and *h affected adjacent stops (just like *s > *h), *kH > *kh > kh, *Ht > *ht > th with "pre-aspiration" (Rasmussen 2007, Whalen 2023a).
  7. *plek^-> plékō 'plait', *plok-Hmo-> *plok-[H/h]mo-> plókamos / plokhmós 'braid' With *plok-Hmo-having *H become either a (like "normal" or *h (with *k+h > kh) here seems as clear as any other possible example. Both changes for *H2 are known and accepted elsewhere (even if not regular here), so I see no reason to view -amos as from Proto-Greek *-amos instead of *-Hmos, or plókamos & plokhmós to result from separate affixes. When examining a series of irregular changes to *H in Greek, seeing more irregularity would not "prove" that unrelated *- amos vs. *-hmos were needed, & just happened to be added to plok-to make 2 words of identical meaning. That *H2 was not part of the root could be seen in S. praśna-'plaited basket', unless it was even more irregular. Other words simply show that these changes were irregular, if real at all, with *-o-H-> -o-a/e/o-: About the possibility of *-amos / *-smos, if many *H alternated with *s (Whalen 2024d), then *- H2mos could be behind both anyway. Other G. examples of *HC / *sC / *xC : *(s)mauro-> R. (s)múryj 'sullen / dark-grey', Sv. mûr 'black horse', Sk. múr 'soot' *xmauro-> Slavic xmur-, Po. chmura 'cloud' *(H2)mauro-> G. (a)maurós 'dark / dim/faint' *(s)meld-> E. melt, smelt *(H2)meld-> G. méld-, amald- *smerto-m > Cr. amertón 'fate' Sc. ámoios 'bad', (s)moiós 'sad/sullen' skórnos 'myrtle', kórnos 'butcher's broom', ákorna 'soldier thistle', akornós 'grasshopper' aphákē 'vetch / dandelion', sphákos 'apple sage, sphágnos 'kind of bush', (met.?) pháskon 'moss' *(s)pelH2-> E. spell, Lt. pel ̂t, Ar. aṙa-spel; *pelnaH2-> TB pällā- *H2pel(H2)-> G. apeilḗ 'boast / threat' *xpel-> *px-? > Al. fjalë 'word' (vs. shp-in *spreg-> shpreh 'express/voice', OE sp(r)ecan; *tpel-> shpel, G. pteléā 'linden')
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