@allmycolorsforyou submitted:
Hello! Thank you so much for your work here! So, I’ve read the posts in the fantasy tag, but I’d like to tell you about my plot just to make sure there isn’t anything wrong I’m not seeing. The fantasy setting of my books is totally inspired by Brazil’s culture, vegetation, mixed races, etc. My main characters are 3 girls and a boy and they’re on a journey together. They’re the same species (fae) but represent different types of people (brazilian japanese, brazilian polish, afro brazilian and a mixed race like European + Afro + Natives). The setting is a whole new world (a throne of glass diverse and gay, if you will) and nothing in particular about their origin culture will take place in the story bc the land is an extremely diverse place like Brazil so their culture is the result of many mixed ones. I’m not giving them Asian or Afro ou Native names bc there’s no Japan ou Africa ou Brazil. The enemy are humans who come in all shapes and races and an evil monster whose personification is… not figured out yet but for sure it’s not human. It may or may not possess humans along the way but I guess I just have to make sure he takes people from different races?
Overarching Notes on the Premise:
This is a piece of information for you to look at further, and the first thing that I pinged about this ask: you’ve picked inspiration from a pro-colonial, pro-assimilation work, from an author who has some deeply misogynistic themes in her other books. Throne of Glass (and subsequent books) contains lines about how it’s fine that a single person rules the world with near-absolute power so long as they’re nice about it, and has pro-assimilation undertones the minute a brown person steps on the page ¼ into book one. It’s subtle, but by having a brown person want to learn the ways of her colonizer to maybe overthrow him, all the while being shocked the MC knows her language and treating the MC as special for it, was enough that it pinged a red flag for me; I was proven right in later books. Meanwhile, the Court series has all sorts of abusive men acting out of “love”, and sacrifices character development for the sake of m/f romantic pairings.
This isn’t to say a work inspired by such a setting can’t be good, but to illustrate some problems you might’ve missed when taking inspiration from it. The issues run way deeper than “it’s mostly white straight people.”
On “Diversity”
Diversity is much, much more than having characters of colour described in ways that shows they have not-white features and not-European customs. Similarly, crafting a diverse fantasy country/culture is much, much more work than simply copy/pasting modern cultural dynamics into a fantasy setting and handwaving the history to say “and stuff happened to create this.”
Modern (and historical) diversity came as a result of trade, cultural diffusion among neighbouring but different groups, migration, immigration, war, and colonialism.
You can’t approach fantasy diversity without at least some of those factors. It will ring so unrealistic it will pull the vast majority of your readers out of the story (especially your marginalized ones).
Culture (and things like skin tone) are determined by the natural world, history, and outside cultures rubbing (or smashing) against each other. No single culture exists in a vacuum, which means fantasy cultures cannot exist in a vacuum.
People had wars. People traded. People married. People decided to move across a continent and settle there because they liked the weather better. Countries took over other territories, stole stuff, traded stuff, had wars, had peace treaties, looked over the fence and went “and we’re gonna change it just enough so it’s firmly ours but anyone who looks at the two side by side can see they’re influenced by the other.” Nobility would marry from a trade ally and then those two cultures would intermingle.
This is just people being people. You can get some fantastic cultures out of these scenarios, but they come with the ever-present reminder that no one place creates a single culture.
Ergo, your basic assumption that a single landmass without external cultures can create Brazil—diverse, multicultural Brazil—is false. You need external cultures to engage with your primarily shown culture, because Brazil did not create itself; it is the product of its history, and that history includes the rest of the world.
Brazil’s History
Brazil in its modern form was created via colonialism. Sad, but true.
“Basic” Brazilian culture is going to be influenced by slavery, Indigenous peoples, Portugal, and the fact most of these peoples settled in a continental rainforest when they’re (usually) not from one. It has deep roots in the African diaspora, was shaped from the top by the biggest slave trading nation in the period looking to maximize profit (look up how many crops got introduced to the region for trading ends), and by all of these people either killing off, enslaving, or working with the Indigenous peoples of the rainforest to either make space, or survive.
And even just among the Indigenous peoples, there were probably over two thousand of them, Pre-Columbus. Brazil is now down to a couple hundred, but there could be more because of how many uncontacted people there are in the Amazon.
Once you get beyond the colonialism, then you get into immigration. Japanese-Brazillian people are primarily from Okinawa, and are the result of Okinawan customs getting modified for the non-island setting, plus bumping into general Brazilian culture. Polish people will have a similar sort of tug of war: their customs probably got modified to account for living in a totally different environment with wildly different resources available.
This, as you can see, did not happen by accident. This was a set of very deliberate choices by outsiders, those choices eventually creating the Brazil we know today.
You don’t have to go recreating the exact climate of colonialism to get to something that looks like modern Brazil (and, please don’t, your Afro-Brazilian and Indigenous readers will thank you for it), but you do need outsiders.
I’m going to nitpick on the names here: it really doesn’t feel good to read that you want to recreate known cultural diversity, but don’t want to give people culturally-accurate names. Names are not only a good way to code characters as being from a certain culture, but names are often what diaspora populations cling to as reminders of where they came from.
By flattening everything into a general concept of “everyone is Brazilian and comes from here because I say so”, what you end up doing is picking up the pro-assimilationist stitch I mentioned is present in Throne of Glass.
Part of respecting diversity is acknowledging people might not’ve always lived here, but they’ve now made this place home and are making the best of it. This is especially true for those who were on the disenfranchised side of the colonialism power dynamic. (With colonizers, part of respecting diversity is having them stop being in power and give power back to those who they disenfranchised).
So look at what made all these populations end up in Brazil, and see how you’re going to modify that (or copy it) to get all of these diverse people in the same place. Brazil has a great potential for internal diversity, yes, it had two thousand unique Indigenous nations, but it won’t create customs that had been codified on an island nation, like Okinawa, because it isn’t an island. It won’t create a people who had spent centuries living in primarily savannah and modified customs from there to a rainforest, like West African peoples.
And even the concept Brazil would only create people who lived in a rainforest, uninfluenced by the mountains or the coast or deserts, is ahistorical, because peoples would share borders, and trade, and talk, and marry, and spread ideas around. Rainforest peoples were influenced by mountain and desert people, because ideas spread from the mountains and the desert. And those peoples were influenced by Polynesians, sailing across the pacific.
If you want advice on how to properly code people as being from different fantasy countries, check out my guide: Representing PoC in Fantasy When Their Country Doesn’t Exist
The Villain
Trying to diversify your villains is a hard thing to juggle, because most villains are already pretty diverse. That’s what was said to make them villains: the fact they weren’t white, straight, cis, and/or abled.
It’s why villains have darker skin and clothing. It’s why they’re usually theatrical and flamboyant and gender non conforming. It’s why they often have canes. These deviations away from “white upper class sound-minded physically fit people performing expected gender roles” were the subconscious clues to the audience we shouldn’t like them.
Even if you only take villains that match the same race as your protagonists, you can still end up with problems like colourism (the system of oppression that makes paler skin within PoC groups more desirable), or a sort of bias that makes you describe the villains as just that little bit more not-white than the protagonists.
Without skin tone as a factor, most villainous shorthands are still some sort of marginalized group: smaller eyes are stereotyped as an East Asian trait, large noses can be Jewish or Arab, dark curly hair can be Jewish or African, the list goes on. Anything that isn’t pale skin, average-sized eyes, a European nose, rosey cheeks, and blond or medium brown hair has probably been used as a villain shorthand to invoke some sort of marginalized group.
There is also the tricky topic of mixed race or mixed culture vs mono-culture/ race people. You haven’t specified any of your villains’ ethnicities and it doesn’t look like you’ve even picked them, but let me give a warning: mixed people are fetishized, and are often put on a pedestal above mono-racial people; alternatively, mixed people are demonized, and are seen as far lesser on account of being mixed. Which it is often depends on the cultural context of the society, and what ethnicities the mixed-race person’s parents are.
Ex: in societies where colourism is prevalent, a child with a darker skin tone is often going to be seen as lesser. Genetics are roulette so being mixed race does not automatically determine what your skin tone will be, but if you end up with two siblings and one is notably darker, the darker skinned parent will often be blamed for it. This often goes into what marriages are approved or disproved, out of fear that the child will end up falling on the “wrong” side of the colourism spectrum.
I’m not mixed in such a way that’s weaponized so I can’t speak to it, but I am just putting a note that this exists.
It is more than possible to have your villains be people of colour. But if you do that, then make sure they’re not the only member of that group, and make sure the villains are described in such a way that their villainy isn’t emphasized by features white people are seen as not having.
Also, the fact they are possessed can have some very unfortunate implications, either in the form of “these people are weak minded, [insert race trying to paint itself as superior here] would NEVER”, and/or in the form of effectively forcing a colonized people to act as a colonizer.
Which leads me to:
Fae vs. humans… or, “colonialism shorthand”
As the title says. Fae vs humans where humans are trying to invade fae lands is one of the easiest, quickest, and generally most obvious parallels to colonialism you can have. This goes double if you have a particularly forest-y setting, since most people assume North America was “untamed wilderness” before Europeans came and Indigenous people exclusively lived amongst the trees that were haphazardly planted.
Toss in the fact that the culture you’re basing this society off of was heavily influenced by colonized peoples, and the villains of this nation in real life are going to be white. This adds another aspect to “it can be really hard to write PoC villains”: the wrong angle, and you can absolutely paint victims of colonialism as just as bad as the colonizers, when this is not true.
Power dynamics are an important thing to consider, when writing villains. Because a lot of times, most villains are able to be villains because they are dominant in some way. Once you start to have villains be “marginalized people trying to do something to either fight structural inequality or get justice in a system that failed them or escape the system that failed them”, you are punching down. Hard.
So when you look at this spirit, ask yourself: what goals does it have for possessing someone marginalized? Will it be able to accomplish anything this way? Or will it get much farther by taking someone from a dominant culture and possessing them, instead?
The thing about Fae is, they’re already kind of… associated with Indigenous peoples. They have nature magic. They’re often akin to elves in terms of old guardians of the forest, especially in modern fantasy, and elves are heavily Indigenous coded.
On top of that, you’re making your fae analogous to a whole bunch of Indigenous groups (Indigenous Brazilians, Afro-Brazilians) and colonized people (Okinawan)—which makes the parallels more intense. Even if you make it that your Japanese-Brazilians are Yamato Japanese… you then make a colonizer (within Asia) into an Indigenous analogue. It’s going to be tricky.
It’s more than possible to handle this tactfully, but you first need to be aware of the power dynamics that come built into such a plot. The fact you did not indicate anything about the power dynamics on the humans’ side and were instead focused on adding in as many characters of colour as possible tells me that you aren’t aware of these dynamics.
They absolutely need addressing before you can write such a plot or a villain respectfully.
Overall
I think you need to solidly analyze the influences on your work, your goals, and the dynamics at play. Because right now, I’m seeing a huge emphasis on simply wanting to toss in a whole bunch of different skin tones and facial features and “cultures” into a single place, without actually putting in the work to make something realistic or representative of any given peoples except majority Brazilians.
You’re at a huge risk of punching down in multiple locations, especially in regard to your human characters. Even with your fae, you could very easily wind up disrespecting the people you want to represent, because you are overtly erasing their homelands and not even giving them a name to signal where they came from.
Diversity is way more than tossing in a bunch of cultures and physical features into a fantasy world. Diversity means representing people, including their immigration status. It’s not a checklist of “oh I should have these people here because then I’m showing I know humans come in different skin tones”. That is how you get tokenism.
That’s also how you get assimilationist homogeneity, where everything gets shoved into a single culture that’s assumed to just… be this way, without outside influences. It really doesn’t feel good to have your cultural history stripped away because of wanting to show one culture as just being so special that it produced your culture from itself—when it couldn’t have.
This is on top of the fact you’re basically taking a diversity paintbrush to a very assimilationist and pro-colonial work, which is something that seems to have carried over in your worldbuilding. You’re so focused on simply trying to diversify a work with mostly white people that you haven’t asked: could this plot even work with racial diversity at play?
Because the thing about plots where you take down colonialism is: they don’t work unless you use pre-established colonial forces as the villains. And when you’re talking Brazil, those historical villains were primarily the Portugese, who are white.
Diversity isn’t as simple as this.
Your work should reflect that.
~Mod Lesya
Race and Mixed-Ness
It’s unclear to me based on your description whether your Japanese-Brazilian coded character and Polish-Brazilian coded character are monoracial or mixed. It’s strange to me that your last mixed race person is described as “a mixed race like European + Afro + Natives.” Did you mean to describe a Pardo Brazilian and fail to research/locate the appropriate terminology? And furthermore, why is that character described in racial terms and the other two in national terms?
The reason this ambiguity is an issue is this: what does Brazilian-Japanese look like, racially? The answer: ANYTHING! Brazil/Japan/Poland/etc. is just a designation for a nation-state drawn on colonial borders. It says nothing about how, specifically, its people should look; to suggest that it does is ethnonationalist.
Following the assumption that your fae are mixed, Mod Lesya is also right about the potential glorification of mixed-ness. I, on the other hand, am the kind of mixed that, in one majority culture, is considered inherently “cooler.” It’s an awkward feeling to know that when passerby explicitly connect my double eyelids or English-ing Good to being hafu, my identity is being leveraged to further some kind of agenda (eg. westernization, pushing of homogeneity through Othering) Don’t make your mixed people part of an agenda, even if you think it’s a well-meaning one (eg. diversity, progress, etc.).
~Mod Rina
Further Recommendations
I think it’s possible to write a highly mixed race neutral world (e.g. Earthsea Universe, Broken Earth). Ursula LeGuin and N.K. Jemisin have both written extensively on the conscious narrative choices they took for how to handle the issue of race in a manner that subverts notions of racism, but nevertheless draws attention to the variation in human appearance for their characters. To paraphrase another favorite fantasy author of mine: Don’t hesitate to steal from those more talented than you. That said, I agree with Lesya. You can’t code a country like Brazil, where the very fabric of the culture is so interwoven with race relations, colonialism and imperialism, and create a race neutral society without removing lots of what makes Brazil “Brazil.” You are better off using a diverse civilization that existed prior to the onset of race-based imperialism and colonization.
-Marika.