Originally a staple of the TNT network, Leverage ran for five seasons before ending its run in 2012. After nearly a decade, the show was revived for the IMDb TV streaming service. Leverage: Redemption reunites nearly the entire cast of the original show, save for the swapping of original star Timothy Hutton for series newcomer Noah Wyle. The revival was successful enough to spawn a second season, now on Amazon Freevee, the ad-supported streaming platform that coexists alongside the premium Prime Video service.
In addition to his gig on Leverage: Redemption, Noah Wyle is known for leading roles in cult TV properties like Falling Skies and The Librarians, as well as films as varied as Donnie Darko and A Few Good Men. Of course, an entire generation of fans know him best for his role as Dr. John Carter, a character he played for eleven seasons (plus subsequent guest appearances) on the hit NBC medical drama, E.R.
While promoting the new season of Leverage: Redemption, Noah Wyle sat down with Screen Rant to discuss his work on the show and share some stories from his decades of experience as an actor. He talked about reuniting with The Librarians' Christian Kane on Leverage: Redemption and how the two initially had an adversarial relationship in real life before ultimately becoming friends, how the ongoing Coronavirus pandemic and sweltering heat of New Orleans had him considering quitting the production, and the moment he realized E.R. was more than a show, but a cultural phenomenon.
Talking Leverage: Redemption With Noah Wyle
Screen Rant: First of all, we're on the East Coast. We're sitting in a New York City restaurant, but you're a West Coast guy.
Noah Wyle: Yes sir.
How much better is it here?
Noah Wyle: [Laughs] Well, it is nice to be on the East Coast again. I haven't been to this city in a couple of years. And I really missed it! I walked all of 8th Avenue yesterday, from down here all the way straight up to the Park, and then back again. Just sucking in the city. I get really charged when I'm here. But I find I can't stay for all that long, because I am Californian. I miss my horizon lines. This is a vertical city. After a while, I start to feel a little claustrophobic, a little hemmed in. So I start to miss the view of a flat horizon line. But until then, I think this is the greatest place in the world.
Okay, let's jump into Leverage! I loved seeing Reed Diamond in the first episodes. He's one of my favorite actors, present company notwithstanding, and his dad worked on The Joe Franklin Show.
Noah Wyle: I know Joe Franklin, not only because I used to watch his show, but he had the largest collection of Broadway costumes. The Joe Franklin collection of costumes was rather extensive. And when he passed, a lot of it started to go up for sale. I'm a hoarder and collector by nature, so I ended up, for some reason, buying all the original costumes, all the tunics and all that stuff that Rex Harrison wore. So yeah, Joe Franklin sold me some costumes once!
That's such a great aside, I love to hear that kind of thing! Tell me a little bit about how you got cast in Leverage.
Noah Wyle: I wasn't originally supposed to be involved with this reboot. They were going to reconstitute the show as it was. But then that became problematic for one reason or another...
Noah Wyle: Dean called me and said, "I've got kind of a hole in my ensemble and need to fill it fast. Would you be willing to come down and play?" We didn't really have a character designed; it was more sort of a triage situation. But the idea was this sort of "Michael Clayton high-priced corporate fixer lawyer" who was looking to change his karma...
He's basically suicidal when we meet him, looking to do anything he can to change the direction of his life. It seemed like a great addition to the show. It gave the team a fish out of water character, somebody who could be a little bit of the audience's eyes and ears for people who didn't know the franchise, didn't know the characters, so through a character like Harry, you get to see how impressive Elliot is at fighting, and how impressive Parker is at stealing, and how impressive Sophie is at accents, and how impressive Hardison and Brianna are at tech. He's a humanizing character. He's an audience-perspective character, and those are always fun to play. It was, as you say, working with old friends during a scary time, you know?
Of course, I didn't even think of that.
Noah Wyle: We were the first production back during the pandemic. We wrote the protocol papers that the entire industry followed, about going back to work during a pandemic.
Wow, you were there right at the start of this new era.
Noah Wyle: We were the canary in the coal mine. It was intense and sort of scary. But at the same time, you really always want to foster a sense of trust in the ensemble. The fact we all had to trust that we'd go home and not expose ourselves to Covid and come back and give it to each other was intense! So we got tight, out of necessity. And it helped. It helped relaunch the show and it was a gratifying enough experience for me that I want to go back and do it again.
I know of some actors who wanted to take a break until Covid passed. But I think if you love the show you're working on and the craft, you'll deal with having to wear a mask between takes, right?
Noah Wyle: Easier said than done. It's not just wearing a mask between takes. It's approaching your work from a completely different viewpoint than you ever did before. What we do is a very tactile, very intimate, improvisational art form. It requires you to be able to be able to breathe on somebody and touch them, and none of us had done that for a year!
Suddenly, we found ourselves having to get comfortable again, just being across from somebody. And not being able to see any of the crew's faces, only seeing their eyes, not getting a sense of who it is you're working with, and still trying to have that sense of freedom... It's very claustrophobic to wear a mask for 12 to 15 hours a day. You're taking it off for 30 seconds at a time, but you're putting it back on immediately. It was a very unnatural way to work that we had to figure out how to make natural very quickly.
There's a lot more to it than I realized.
Noah Wyle: We were tested three times a week, invasively, to keep a baseline level of health. We were separated from each other whenever possible. It just wasn't collegiate, it wasn't communal, it wasn't all the best parts of filmmaking that I enjoy. We did it to keep everybody employed, and we did it to keep everybody feeding their families during a tricky time. We did it to provide a show that's positive and escapist and somewhat intelligent, but mostly medicinal for a country going through a hard time, you know?
Even now, this is my first in-person, two people sitting at a table interview. Just sitting here with you, I'm like, "Am I too close?" I'm getting used to it again.
Noah Wyle: It takes some getting used to. It was a learning curve. The first day we shot, it was in a trailer park outside. I don't know if you've been to New Orleans in the summertime, but it was 120 degrees. The humidity was 100%. There was no shade. We were in this trailer park, there were red ants everywhere, and mosquitoes the size of birds. And everybody's wearing PPE [personal protective equipment], so everybody's passing out. I thought, "I don't know if I can do this." I went home and called my wife and said, "I don't think I can do this. I don't think I want to do this."
And then I went back to work the next day. We shot inside, which had air conditioning, which was better! And then, the third day, I was used to wearing the mask. By the fourth day, it felt like I was back to work doing a TV show. By that Friday, we were up and running and we never really looked back. But those first two or three days? It was touch-and-go.
And you're writing and directing on Leverage. You never wrote or directed on E.R., right?
Noah Wyle: I never wrote or directed E.R. I started directing on Falling Skies, the alien invasion show I did a few years ago. I did a little bit of what I called "subversive writing" on that show. I was rewriting a lot. The Librarians was really the first chance I got to pen a script from start to finish. I wrote two of those. And then I started directing a lot more of those. On Leverage, I directed three of the first season, and two in the second, and I wrote one in the second.
With a show like Leverage, is it on auto-pilot and you just have to make sure all the pieces line up? Or do you get to really take charge and be like, "Now we're gonna do this the Wyle Way!"
Noah Wyle: ...Neither. [Laughs] There's no such thing as auto-pilot when you're making TV. It's extremely difficult to produce an hour of TV these days, for the amount of money you're given to do it for. I was really humbled. When you step outside of the lane that everybody is used to you being in, it sometimes can be abrasive to people.
"Who does this guy think he is?"
Noah Wyle: Exactly. "Who does he think he is?" "Now he wants to write, too?" All that stuff. It's a tough college to break into, that Writers' Room. It was tough love in the beginning, but they were really cool and very supportive and very collegiate. I got to see that there's no such thing as an auteur. There's no such thing as a perfect craft. These things are really grunted out, sweated out. It's a lot more of a torturous process than I thought it was before. I have a new respect for it.
At a certain point, you have a degree of ownership over your character, even if you're not a writer. By Season 11 on E.R., I imagine you could go, "Hey, I'm not saying that. My guy would never say that."
Noah Wyle: In the second season, I felt like I had a pretty good handle on everybody's characters' voice. I had a sense of what each of those actors was jonesing to do, so I tried to write to all of that. I tried to write everybody a really good, fun part, myself included, with fun, snappy dialogue, and fun things to play. I tried to give a little bit of wish fulfillment for each of them, to do something they wanted to do but hadn't had the chance to do yet.
I imagine Freevee us a different beast from TNT, which was your home for quite a few years.
Noah Wyle: And Freevee is different from IMdB TV, which was what launched this show in its first season. Which is very different from TNT, which is very different from NBC.
And you've seen the ecosystem grow and change and shrink and expand in such wild ways that I can barely comprehend.
Noah Wyle: I've seen it come full circle. I'm back on a platform that exists because of advertising support. So we've reinvented network television in a new form.
Maybe it's just that I'm getting older, but I find those commercials give you a chance to check your phone, go to the bathroom, or get a snack! Ya know, I kinda miss those breaks! You can get into a binge habit with non-stop viewing, and you're kinda doing those things simultaneously. At least this way, you get to say, "I'll do it when the break comes," and you can focus a bit better.
How did you get broken into the cast of Leverage? Did they haze you? Was it like a gang initiation?
Noah Wyle: Jumped in like a gang? Yeah. [Laughs] It was my first night there, and Gina Bellman took me on a walk. She kinda sniffed at me like an alley cat, to see if I was friend of foe. Christian Kane and I obviously knew each other and had gotten past all of our initial awkwardness on The Librarians... He and I didn't like each other when we first met. But we got tighter.
Was it different approaches to the craft? Or two tough guys staring each other down?
Noah Wyle: It was one tough guy, staring down the other guy, saying, "I'm not gonna fight you."
...But if you did?
Noah Wyle: If we did, he'd kill me! [Laughs] I'd hardly be a challenge there! What I think changed for Christian and I was when I directed him for the first time on The Librarians.
I saw him do something that was really funny, and I kinda went over to him and I said, "You know, you just did something that not a lot of people can do. You're one of the best action actors in the world. I guarantee, you've never seen anything quite like you in person. But the ceiling on how far you can take that particular skillset is limited. If you figure out how to develop that sense of humor that I just saw, figure out how to make fun of yourself while you're doing those other things, you'll work for the rest of your life. You'll allow people into your heart. You'll allow them to see, not just your muscles, but also your underside. And that's how you'll win over the boys and the girls."
It's how you go from, say, Chris Hemsworth: hot guy, to Chris Hemsworth: movie star.
Noah Wyle: Yeah, exactly that. Everybody's starting to figure out that formula to a certain extent, but not everybody can do it. Christian is one of those people who has impeccable comic timing, as well as incredible physical attributes. And he can play guitar and sing! All those things. He's a multi-talented cat. And once he saw that I was really just trying to bring him out, make the rest of his lights shine, we got really close. Now we're really tight.
I guess it's like musicianship. Everyone's at a different point in their journey. I'm sure you've worked with people who are on all different points of their journey. Do you like to guide actors who might be super new?
Noah Wyle: It depends on their willingness. You were saying before we started recording that you're a caretaker for this woman who is a repository of old stories. It sounds like you're someone who appreciates those stories, but there are a lot of people who don't. So a lot of people would tune those things out, and tune that life experience out, and not want to honor it or absorb it into themselves.
I've always been way more interested in being part of that lineage, being part of the history. Learning from my elders and passing on to those coming up next. I think being a link in that chain is important. But not all those people coming up want to hear what you have to say. And not all those old people want to share what they've been through! It takes a certain individual to be a good mentor, and it takes a certain kind of person to be a good student. I learned a long time ago, people don't like to be preached to. [Laughs] And nobody likes a hall monitor, so I tend to keep my mouth shut until somebody approaches me with the right degree of curiosity. Then I'm an open book.
Totally fair! I would have gotten fired from The Librarians. I'd just be picking John Larroquette's brain for stories about Night Court and stuff.
Noah Wyle: I did that every day! "John, tell me about this, tell me about that, tell me about Baa Baa Black Sheep, everything!"
Oh man, what a dream! Okay, let's go back to another chapter. The Librarians was a series of TNT movies before the show.
Noah Wyle: Three TV movies, and then they came to me and asked, "Do you want to do a series?" I was nervous about doing it as a series. I didn't know if we could maintain the quality level, week to week. So I attempted to try to make it more like, "What if I was Charlie and it was like Charlie's Angels? Then I wouldn't have to show up all that much, and you guys just pay me?"
But then you would up showing up more and more as the show went on.
Noah Wyle: I got kinda sucked into it! [Laughs] Flynn is one of my favorite parts that I've played. It's pure joy for me. And it was family friendly, for my whole family to enjoy and participate in, be around. It was a great job for lots of reasons.
And before that, we're at Falling Skies. That was a big show.
Noah Wyle: That was an interesting experience, ya know? Atypical, in that, for a five-season show, I think it had six showrunners. It was a very fragmented narrative. The continuity was really the cast and crew on the ground. That 2nd Mass, that we were called in the show, it felt very much like the unit that we were portraying. The show had many fathers, but one godfather: Steven Spielberg. We went up to Canada, got tight, got dirty.
One of the earthiest people I've ever interviewed is Will Patton.
Noah Wyle: I just talked to Will yesterday, I'm gonna see him tonight!
If Gene Hackman wasn't still alive, I'd think he's the reincarnation. He's so real. I imagine he's always got dirt under his nails.
Noah Wyle: [in a spot-on impression of Will Patton] "I remember one time, coming home from shooting on Falling Skies, I had dirt under my nails. I was walking down the street, past this outdoor cafe, and a man says, 'Hey buddy, want some food?' I said, 'I'm not homeless! I'm an actor!'"
That's fantastic! Has he heard that impression?
Noah Wyle: No! [Laughs] That's a true story, though. He told me, he was so embarrassed. He comes over, and goes, "Man, I went home last night, I passed a cafe, and this man offered me pizza! I've got to start taking baths or some sh*t!"
That's incredible. Okay, I'd be remiss if I didn't touch on E.R. That's the big one, one of the biggest shows ever. You were what, 20 when you started on that?
Noah Wyle: I was 22 when I got the pilot.
Crazy. And you haven't aged a day in 30 years.
Noah Wyle: [Laughs] That's so kind of you to say, but so untrue.
Maybe a couple of days. But were you ready for 11 years plus guest appearances? Did you think that was gonna happen?
Noah Wyle: I wasn't ready for one year! I was gonna do the pilot, take the money, and run. I didn't think that show was going to fly. It was so technical, it was so jibbery-jabbery. Chicago Hope was the show everybody was betting on. Nobody knew anybody in our cast except for Anthony Edwards. There were a bunch of shows back then, quality shows, like a show called Brooklyn Bridge, and a couple of other shows that were cancelled very quickly. They just couldn't find an audience. And I thought, this will end up being one of those.
And then, seven episodes into the airing, they brought me to New York. I went on Regis. My very first talk show. And as I came out of the studio, this guy handed me a copy of Newsweek magazine that had our picture on the cover, and I thought it was one of those joke covers that you can get made up, like at a theme park. So I said, "Oh, I have to get one of these!" And he pointed to the news kiosk behind him, and there was a whole rack of them. And I thought: holy sh*t!
It was coincidence that Clinton had just been elected and he just mandated Hillary to revamp the health care system, and it was going very poorly. So the Newsweek cover was, "A Health Care Program That Really Works," and a big expose on our show. We touched the zeitgeist right off the bat. I don't think any of us were ready for that.
That was your first pilot. You hit the ground running!
Noah Wyle: I've had a pretty good track record. I've done five TV pilots, and I had four series off of them. Good batting average.
What's the one that got away?
Noah Wyle: The one that got away was right after The Librarians. It was right before the election. It was a show from Craig Turk, who wrote on The Good Wife. He had a legal background and worked on campaigns, notably McCain's campaign. And it was a show called Perfect Citizen, about a high-ranking guy in the NSA who uncovers a clandestine spy ring operation being operated out of the NSA. It was basically a Snowden story, about an inside guy finding this intel, leaving the country with it, and then basically, ten years later, coming back to country that's very divided about him being here. And he takes a job with a law firm handling whistleblower cases, and being that kind of attorney.
It was a really good show, and we could have been a really important show, but the way the election swung, it just suddenly was not a show that people wanted to be critical about the administration. We were doubling down on shows like Navy SEALS and things that were really kind of more nationalistic, jingoistic. So it missed its moment, but it was a good try. Paris Barclay directed that pilot, it was beautifully done.
About Leverage: Redemption
Leverage: Redemption follows a Robin Hood-esque team of criminals as they stage elaborate cons against wealthy and powerful individuals on behalf of clients who have been wronged. In Season two, corporate bad guys and dirty dealers are stepping on the little guy in their quest for money and power and the Leverage team is back to teach them a lesson. No matter the danger, when someone needs help, they provide…Leverage. This time around, their criminal skills are put to the test by everything from a husband-and-wife team running a multi-level marketing scam and a shipping magnate dumping boatloads of plastic waste to a music producer who abuses his position over vulnerable women. This season also sees an old friend of Sophie’s unexpectedly coming out of the woodwork, making her question her choices.
Leverage: Redemption is currently airing its second season on Amazon Freevee.