In the episode VST: "Walk, Don't Run"; there are multiple references to Star Trek. For example, Star Trek: Lower Decks and Star Trek: The Original Series are mentioned, and obviously Star Trek: The Animated Series, which is what the episode served as an anniversary of. Anyway, I only point this out because when I placed the shows in the references section, it was quickly changed by another editor into the real world pages. Obviously this episode isn't set in "the real world," so in my mind, each of the referenced shows deserve their own in-universe pages. For example, Star Trek: Discovery is mentioned in the song that everybody sings toward the end, but it's simply called "Discovery." Maybe the page could be called "Discovery (meta)" or "Discovery (TV series)." Same with the other shows. TOS was simply referred to as the Original Series. Maybe it could be called that. Thoughts? -- Noah Tall (talk) 04:16, 28 January 2025 (UTC)
- I don't know what to do about that, but if you're interested in meta references, check this out. It's my proposed counterpart to the parodies and references pages (Trek referenced in other works) - Trek referenced in Trek. User:LauraCC/Metatextual references in Star Trek -LauraCC (talk) 15:43, 28 January 2025 (UTC)
- Personally, I'm not opposed to a "Metatextual references in Star Trek" page, but I do think most of these would fall under In-jokes, perhaps expanding that page could fulfill those needs? With the references in vST:"Walk, Don't Run" specifically though, I do think those mentions should be tagged to the real-world shows considering vST is explicitly non-canon. Were references made to a tv show called "Discovery" in a canon production like SNW, that would be different and an in-universe page should be made for that, as was initially the case with the TOS episodes that appeared as books in Disco or the TOS era mentioned in Lower Decks. - TanookiMike (talk) 14:15, 29 January 2025 (UTC)
- Sure. It should still be a part of the "parodies" navbox because it's parodying itself, though. As for the references in vST, how about creating redirects for them that reflect how they're referenced in the clips? LauraCC (talk) -14:23, 29 January 2025 (UTC)
Well, we already have pages from VST, such as chicken fingers and Post Mainframe Acid-Cardassian Ten Forwardcore etc. They have the anything but canon header templated on the top of the screen. I figured it'd make more sense to have it done that way. -- Noah Tall (talk) 14:43, 29 January 2025 (UTC)
- True, but those things didn't have a page before vST referenced them. And in the event that they are referenced on a regular Trek show, like SNW, that reference will take precedence. A Star Trek show is less likely (but not impossible) to be referenced on another or the same show (unless SNW visits a reality where they're a TV show, not real). Currently, pages that began as real world pages but have a smaller in-universe reference can either have two pages, one for real and one for fiction, or share a page. The latter would happen if, say, there was incidentally a poster advertising a Star Trek show seen as characters from the show drive by. -LauraCC (talk) 14:45, 29 January 2025 (UTC)
I get what you're saying...and yeah, I know for pages like Hulu and Netflix were originally real world articles and adapting them to in-universe articles was no big project, but obviously we can't do something like that with pages like Star Trek: The Original Series or Star Trek: Discovery, for example. That's why I tried to make a totally separate page altogether, kinda like how we have Adolf Hitler (self) and Adolf Hitler. And you're right, it is always possible that more meta stuff might come up in canon shows as well. The root beer float page for example, started out as a strictly anything but canon page until an episode of Lower Decks came out to establish it's self in canon. But I disagree with you about other shows taking precedence. Sure they might be actual canon, but that doesn't mean the "anything but canon" stuff shouldn't also have material in pages like that. That's what the ABC template was all about, to put a little square around the text that's about VST so everyone knows that it's not official Trek. -- Noah Tall (talk) 15:38, 30 January 2025 (UTC)