Reasonable Feedback?

[Herr Podspro]

Hi, I've just installed Tahoe on my Moms/Sisters MacBook Pro and mine a couple days ago.

Turns out, I hate the new Apps thing, and my mother is borderline mad, or was, until I downgraded the Mac she uses to Sequoia.
I have access to the Feedback app on my Mac and want to share feedback with Apple.
As it's not malfunctioning, all I can do is file a "Suggestion" report and want it to sound as reasonable as possible for a maximum chance im not just wasting my time.
So, does this sound reasonable?

Irrelevant Suggestions

With Launchpad, it’s a simple trackpad gesture and a quick flick and tap and your app is open.
Now, I’m presented with an array of meaningless suggestions for apps that I don’t actively use, sorry.
I don’t want running apps or apps I have in my dock suggested.
An alphabetical list of my over 100 apps isn’t useful to me.
With Launchpad, I had access to some odd apps I couldn’t be bothered to remember the name of, I wouldn’t want to search with Spotlight, or I wanted easy access without using the keyboard, scroll or look for.
A simple trackpad gesture and a quick flick followed by a tap and your app was open.
No you have to quickly scan through the suggestions, type in the name you hopefully know, or scroll through a small window with an alphabetical list that shows all apps, like:

Background apps, like DuckDuckGo Privacy for Safari
Menu bar apps, like Shazam or iStat
Login apps you use after boot, like Latest
Support apps for background apps (see my screenshot, now I have Amphetamine and Enhancer constantly in my top app list…)
Apps you might not need, like Numbers
Apps you might not like, like Games
Apps you do easily open with Spotlight and one or two letters
Apps you keep in your dock
Apps from other users on the same Mac…
Apps you use once in a blue moon, like Grand Perspective, Easy Find etc
Apps you have never used, like Chess, Photo Booth, Image Capture, Tips etc
Apps that are integrated into Spotlight, like Dictionary
An app you have a hardware button for, like Mission Control…
Shortcuts added to the Dock (at least for me)

And that’s just the top list, not the Utilities underneath.
It’s overwhelming and as far from personalized as possible.
Launchpad is a glorified iPad home screen that’s been buggy end neglected for over a decade, but it worked. You could arrange apps in a way that makes sense to you and put apps you might not use or don’t need instant access to into folders.

I had to DOWNGRADE my mothers Mac, she really needs the old visual way of finding apps; my partner refuses instal Tahoe on the house Mac.

It’s never too late to have useful UI in your system. Launchpad has proven enormously useful.
Please, at least be sensible and add a toggle in settings. Old folks need their ways.

If you got this far, thanks for taking the time.

 

[MBAir2010]

seems to me that  will not to care anymore about software complains lately .
unless something broke, then that  care id rubbed circular in the face.
last December I wrote a letter to Cupertino about my 27 grievances with Ventura-Seq.
they never responded.

 is designing for the masses and CEOs as anything THEY design is staying put.
on Tahoe I have hidden stocks, news, and other apps that stick up now and then.
but having a mom or elder perform these tasks is not convent and annoying.
remember,
at , they are stubborn as Launchpad is kaput since teenagers don't use that anymore.

my advice is yes, send them everything and cross fingers they get solved.
they won't though.
Seq wil get updates for a while, as year or so.
Windows 11 does these adjustment, but asks for subscriptions to Microsoft Cluster cloud.
I can't use linux anymore, ninth should mom.

computers nowadays are not made for users' convince anymore.

unless one uses a MacBook Air 2010 with Snow leopard as that works but not iCloud.

hoped this helped, as I feel like I am in the same boat.

 

[Herr Podspro]

seems to me that  will not to care anymore about software complains lately .
unless something broke, then that  care id rubbed circular in the face.
last December I wrote a letter to Cupertino about my 27 grievances with Ventura-Seq.
they never responded.

 is designing for the masses and CEOs as anything THEY design is staying put.
on Tahoe I have hidden stocks, news, and other apps that stick up now and then.
but having a mom or elder perform these tasks is not convent and annoying.
remember,
at , they are stubborn as Launchpad is kaput since teenagers don't use that anymore.

my advice is yes, send them everything and cross fingers they get solved.
they won't though.
Seq wil get updates for a while, as year or so.
Windows 11 does these adjustment, but asks for subscriptions to Microsoft Cluster cloud.
I can't use linux anymore, ninth should mom.

computers nowadays are not made for users' convince anymore.

unless one uses a MacBook Air 2010 with Snow leopard as that works but not iCloud.

hoped this helped, as I feel like I am in the same boat.

You’re probably right in that it won’t change anything.
But for the rare chance that someone does pick up on some feedback I wanted to give it at least a fair shot with some sound points.

 

[MBAir2010]

You’re probably right in that it won’t change anything.
But for the rare chance that someone does pick up on some feedback I wanted to give it at least a fair shot with some sound points.

change is never in their itinerary as  simply stopped caring or giving darn these past years, now that what is wrong.

well good luck and pursue everything you can!

 

[thebart]

Yeah as long as you make clear you don't expect them to get rid of the app drawer, just bring back the old launchpad as alternative, I think it's reasonable. Will they listen? who knows. Not giving them any feedback will certainly not help. Unless Tim Cook decides he misses launchpad. Even then, Tim doesn't seem like a guy who gets into the weeds.

 

[windows4ever]

I dislike the trend that users are expected to use a search bar for everything, instead of being able to access things through a menu or through a launcher.

I've resisted this push in Windows for years and I'll continue to resist it in MacOS. Luckily the dock has enough room for all the apps I use on a regular basis.

 

[Herr Podspro]

I dislike the trend that users are expected to use a search bar for everything, instead of being able to access things through a menu or through a launcher.

I've resisted this push in Windows for years and I'll continue to resist it in MacOS. Luckily the dock has enough room for all the apps I use on a regular basis.

I also don’t understand why the visual way of displaying and spreading out apps in a way that makes sense to oneself is apparently so bad and not good enough anymore.

 

[zevrix]

So, does this sound reasonable?

If you want your feedback to make any impact and to be taken seriously by Apple, I recommend to shorten it dramatically and make it more straight-to-the-point. (That's from the experience of submitting quite a bit of feedback and bug reports to Apple for nearly 20 years).

Just feed your feedback to ChatGPT (or Grok or whatever) and tell it to do just that.

 

[loby]

My wife is probably the most "average user" as far as a computer. I had to pry her from Windows some years ago with much objection, but after awhile, she was happy with her 2019 21" iMac now M1 Mac mini and would never go back. "It is just easy to use.." she finally admitted...

Now...after some years with talking a lot about tech-geek stuff with her, she is a good "level-headed" person I can bounce things off concerning the latest tech and what really works for the average user in opinion.

When macOS Tahoe (L.G.) came out, I was updating just a "few" of my Macs and told her that there was a new OS out and thought to update her M1 Mac mini that she loves. She said, "oh, what's new with the OS"? I told her about L.G. and what it is and this is what she said...

"What?!? (her face crinkled up in distain.." Oweooo..sounds ugly. How do I know what icon to click if I can't see it (meaning all see-through and white clear looking)?. I told her that the default icons have a bunch of colors. She said, "It sounds cartoon-ish to me..."

She finally said, "No...don't touch my Mac mini. I like it the way that it is..." I said there is an update for the OS that she uses and it is good to do for security reasons (Sequoia).

She said, "Ok, update but I don't want cartoons on my Mini..."

That says it all..

 

[Danorak81]

Good luck with the feedback. I remember Apple getting back to me once with some very specific iOS behaviour a few years ago, but of the multiples I've sent over the last x amount of years, that was the only time.

I remember saying years ago, on a now long-gone Mac Forum, that I could see MacOS becoming one with iOS, which it seems to be doing. I hate that though-i want separate OS's. It feels a shame not to upgrade to the that latest OS as once upon a time, everything just worked-but I'm quite happy on Sequoia-and I don't like the feedback I'm hearing from across the forums. I know it's all subjective and I might love it, but I'm not happy to take that chance just yet.

Bring back Snow Leopard 😂 😂

 

[Herr Podspro]

If you want your feedback to make any impact and to be taken seriously by Apple, I recommend to shorten it dramatically and make it more straight-to-the-point. (That's from the experience of submitting quite a bit of feedback and bug reports to Apple for nearly 20 years).

Just feed your feedback to ChatGPT (or Grok or whatever) and tell it to do just that.

I don’t trust that Apple doesnt have technologies that filter out AI authored text

 

[Herr Podspro]

My wife is probably the most "average user" as far as a computer. I had to pry her from Windows some years ago with much objection, but after awhile, she was happy with her 2019 21" iMac now M1 Mac mini and would never go back. "It is just easy to use.." she finally admitted...

Now...after some years with talking a lot about tech-geek stuff with her, she is a good "level-headed" person I can bounce things off concerning the latest tech and what really works for the average user in opinion.

When macOS Tahoe (L.G.) came out, I was updating just a "few" of my Macs and told her that there was a new OS out and thought to update her M1 Mac mini that she loves. She said, "oh, what's new with the OS"? I told her about L.G. and what it is and this is what she said...

"What?!? (her face crinkled up in distain.." Oweooo..sounds ugly. How do I know what icon to click if I can't see it (meaning all see-through and white clear looking)?. I told her that the default icons have a bunch of colors. She said, "It sounds cartoon-ish to me..."

She finally said, "No...don't touch my Mac mini. I like it the way that it is..." I said there is an update for the OS that she uses and it is good to do for security reasons (Sequoia).

She said, "Ok, update but I don't want cartoons on my Mini..."

That says it all..

I had the same feeling during my first hands on with iOS 26. My Home Screen looked cartoonish, too.

 

[loby]

I had the same feeling during my first hands on with iOS 26. My Home Screen looked cartoonish, too.

I had the same reaction. The key code bounces around like cartoon animation.

I know Apple is trying to do a "fun" iOS, but we should have an option to turn it off if desired.

 

[zevrix]

I don’t trust that Apple doesnt have technologies that filter out AI authored text

It's perfectly normal to use AI to assist you to write bug reports as well as anything else. Obviously, edit whatever AI writes to you as needed to avoid expressions that sound unnatural or/and the way you don't like, not to mention errors.

I've used AI's help to write several bug reports already, they were all accepted, and some issues were actually fixed.

 

[loby]

I "think" that employees at Apple actually read these blogs.

That is why it is good to write honest feedback and issues instead of just complaining or anti-Apple writing false dialog. Companies actually pay employees to go online and write accurate and inaccurate things to sway the public (Marketing jobs), like feedback on Amazon. Marketing is the game.

I remember I was dialoging about an issue that I saw with macOS Tahoe on Macrumors and Apple changed it with .01.

Now..Yes the probability that Apple knew of the issue anyway did not matter what we were dialoging about, but it was a minor detail about design and noticed it was changed to what we were talking about.

Reading blogs is free feedback as enthusiest write and comment. Apple employees too have time to burn at work between jobs ar take a break at times, so reading about what they have done or not done or criticism gives them a "free" idea quickly without having to wait for reports etc.

Sending bug reports are #1. I believe they do read them, but will throw away complaints. Writing on this forum and with proactive dialog "may" also bring attention to certain things that they may not have thought about or have looked at.

I am sure that Apple has employees who are registered on Macrumors and some "might" be for fun. "Maybe" even Tim.

Remember, especially when Steve Jobs was sick and was in bed, he use to dialog with those who sent emails to him. I would not be surprise if higher level employees pose as regular "nerds" and talk trash, questions and comments here on Macrumors also....

So...If we want changes, send in reports to Apple, dialog on these blogs, and hope they respond.

 

[MBAir2010]

just a concern I realized today with  os.

today I used Snow leopard, mountain lion then downloaded el captain, high Sierra and now Mojave and the MBA2010.
as every upgrade elevated ' "in your face" as promoting iCloud, Siri and stiffer security as non- programs were harder to install as high Sierra really was "are you sure" which left a sour taste of I hav enough idea what im doing and only trust  a sim on Tahoe now and that is very different free-wise than Snow Leopard.
 will trim down what we can use outside the walled garden very soon.

 

[galad]

Repeating the same things for 16 years won't make it any more true. There is no additional limitation to running apps on macOS 26. Is it a bother to open System Settings to click "Open anyway"? Could be, but that doesn't limit anything.

Actually, Apple will soon be forced to allow third-party stores on iOS devices even in more countries soon, so everything will just get more open.

 

[maflynn]

I dislike the trend that users are expected to use a search bar for everything

Not for nothing, that's how I start all my apps. I find hitting cmd-space, and the first to letters of the app to be infinity faster then scrolling through a window. The more apps that are installed the more cumbersome a finder window or using the launchpad is.