Can Apple beat Gemini?

[Gix1k]

I picked up a Pixel 10 Pro XL the other day to try. It’s simply incredible how Gemini works throughout the OS or separately. The way you can just converse with it and get legitimate information back on almost ANYTHING you ask it. Do you think Apple Intelligence will ever be on par?

 

[Puonti]

If we're talking about use cases beyond lights, timers and reminders, the biggest issue I see with these systems right now is the hallucinating / sycophancy. It's embarrassing / dangerous for those who don't understand and accept it's happening, annoying / limiting for those who do and have a working knowledge of the information they're requesting, and a business risk for those who develop and deploy these systems for business purposes.

Let's say Apple somehow solves that before everybody else - that would make Siri arguably better than the others. Apple might even be the most incentivized party to figure it out since it has a much more "premium" image to uphold, while its competitors are more interested in moving fast. I bet Apple would really like Siri not to become a lying piece of poop on top of its other charming qualities.

At the same time Apple's past performance doesn't fill me with confidence, and its only saving grace (in my eyes) is that the others keep failing on this aspect. Who knows how long that's going to be the case.

 

[chrono1081]

I have never seen anything promising from Gemini so I wouldn't consider that a high bar. Gemini is constantly wrong, a lot, so much so that I skip right by it when I google anything.

The eye opener for me was when my friend and I both googled "Do chimps have opposable thumbs" and gemini gave us each two different answers with explanations.

 

[HouseLannister]

Don't think Apple will even try to do that. Gemini is a super useful app for asking questions and doing research. Siri was never meant to do that. It will still be able to search the web for you, but don't expect it to digest and explain what it finds like Gemini can. Instead, LLM Siri in the spring will make it understand your questions and translate it into system commands better than current Siri. It will just be much better at creating reminders and calendar appointments and such without tripping over its tied-together shoelaces.

Remember that Magic Cue on Pixel still doesn't do much of anything and Daily Hub was already pulled from its preview state. Gemini is awesome, but it is not a full phone-controlling app yet and that is what Apple wants Siri to be. One of my tests is to ask my Pixel 10 Pro about due dates for bills in my Gmail and I get wildly different and often useless results. Sometimes Gemini will know the answer but Gemini Live won't. Sometimes it will make up a fake answer. Sometimes it will tell me it doesn't have access to my email. It's all over the place. If LLM Siri can tell me what the due date and balance is for my Progressive bill, that's a huge win in my opinion.

 

[martint235]

Gemini is much more than a search engine and it’s the integration with the OS that makes it even more powerful. Apple can make progress just by allowing that level of integration.