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    Through my experience the claim that scrum is forming a self-organizing team is more like a mystery. Commented May 22, 2020 at 14:16
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    @Qiulang Just doing Scrum does not automagically form a team. Scrum is something you can use, when you have a team. Without a real team, Scrum will fail. Commented May 22, 2020 at 14:27
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    This answer seems to be completely missing the point. Aside from leaning far too heavily on the tiresome “you just aren’t doing it right!” trope, it glosses over the fundamental problem raised in the OP: that the process of coming together to divvy up work and track its progress (in nearly any form) starts to work against teamwork when “progress” becomes a measurement. You can bet your bottom dollar that players would be more selfish if their paycheck was tied to how many shots on goal they took each game. The problem isn’t that we aren’t doing it right. It’s that we are doing it at all. Commented May 23, 2020 at 0:09
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    @ZachLipton So if the manager sabotages the method, the method is at fault? Can you name another method that would work even if the manager abuses it? How about Kanban or Waterfall or V-Model or whatever else you might use to develop software. If the manager goes against the method, does that method still work? Because I have not yet met one that was "manager resistant". Commented May 23, 2020 at 7:51
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    No true scrum would... Commented May 23, 2020 at 8:45