Timeline for Modeling first and lastname separately
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| Mar 26, 2021 at 15:42 | comment | added | gnasher729 | I don’t have a middle name. I have two first names. And I can legally use any one, or both in any order. Have fun. | |
| Aug 8, 2017 at 5:43 | history | tweeted | twitter.com/StackSoftEng/status/894796299324796928 | ||
| Aug 7, 2017 at 9:39 | comment | added | Roland Tepp | @cpburnz, Apparently I did not... Now it has 76 upvotes (including mine) ;) | |
| Aug 2, 2017 at 14:49 | comment | added | Cronax | On the kalzumeus article, it's also a good trigger for writing a correct error message. Many forms insist that the email address I enter is not valid because it contains a +, while all evidence points to the contrary. Instead of telling the user their name is wrong, tell them you didn't recognise the input or something like that. | |
| Aug 2, 2017 at 14:29 | comment | added | sampathsris | Note that some cultures have name formats like [familyname] [givenname(s)] [lastname]. Family name is also a part that's inherited, so is the last name. Standard practice is to abandon the family name if there are only firstname/lastname fields. | |
| S Aug 2, 2017 at 14:14 | history | suggested | CommunityBot | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
I'm not a guy, thanks
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| Aug 2, 2017 at 11:33 | comment | added | Pieter B | @SGR I think you are reading the article wrong. The things he mentions are not things your have to absolutely support. They're things you need to have knowledge of. Then make a risk/reward assesment. And then decide what to support and what not. Also, Mc'Donalds was very unimpressed that he couldn't put in his name into the name field or use his name as email. If 99.9% support is enough for you, then go for it, but at least you now made an informed choice. 99.9% is not enough for a company like google. | |
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| Aug 2, 2017 at 6:46 | comment | added | Pieter B | @Solomonoff'sSecret programming starts with questions. After reading that article I hope you have a few more questions and write better software. Regarding names without unicode characters: now you've at least made the conscious decision: "we're not going to support that". The list isn't a: "you have to support this" list. It's so you can make a decision whether or not to support some things. | |
| Aug 1, 2017 at 21:26 | comment | added | user95851 | This applies to your question pretty directly w3.org/International/questions/qa-personal-names | |
| Aug 1, 2017 at 21:16 | comment | added | Casey | Microsoft programs, which I would imagine are localized in far more languages than most of us deal with, have a name and surname, and reading field for both. Similar restraints apply for air travel and passports. I don't think it's a realistic scenario that you'll run into people who can't handle breaking the name up into these somehow. | |
| Aug 1, 2017 at 17:08 | comment | added | RBarryYoung |
When you make a report, are you going to sort on lastname, firstname or on firstname lastname. If you don't separate them you don't have a choice, you can only sort them as they were typed in, which I promise you will not always be the way that you expect.
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| Aug 1, 2017 at 16:21 | answer | added | Berin Loritsch | timeline score: 9 | |
| Aug 1, 2017 at 15:20 | comment | added | Istvan Devai | Passport data pages for various countries: commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Passport_data_pages | |
| Aug 1, 2017 at 15:15 | comment | added | Reinstate Monica | @PieterB Some of the points in that article are questionable and sometimes you have to make assumptions to get things done. That article doesn't provide useful advice on how to handle names. If a name contains non-unicode characters, what do you do, allow the user to upload a picture? What if there are non-visual aspects - allow a video with sound? What if a name is performance art and can only be performed at midnight in Hong Kong? At some point you have to get real and get on to solving problems instead of revelling in theoretical corner cases that your user base will never encounter. | |
| S Aug 1, 2017 at 15:05 | history | suggested | Glorfindel | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
thanks removed as per https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/2950/295232
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| Aug 1, 2017 at 15:04 | comment | added | 11684 | You might consider asking this question on User Experience, the community there might be able to offer a different perspective on this essentially user interface problem. | |
| Aug 1, 2017 at 14:44 | comment | added | JacquesB | Also, royalty typically only have first names. Do you really want a scathing review written by a prince, queen or emperor because they couldn't sign up for your service? | |
| Aug 1, 2017 at 14:40 | review | Suggested edits | |||
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| Aug 1, 2017 at 14:29 | answer | added | Jon Raynor | timeline score: -2 | |
| Aug 1, 2017 at 14:18 | comment | added | Istvan Devai | @JacquesB wow good point :) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_legally_mononymous_people | |
| Aug 1, 2017 at 13:57 | comment | added | Pieter B | I advise you to read the following article: kalzumeus.com/2010/06/17/… it's a real eye opener when thinking about names. | |
| Aug 1, 2017 at 13:45 | answer | added | Becuzz | timeline score: 32 | |
| Aug 1, 2017 at 13:37 | comment | added | JacquesB | Firstname/lastname distiction does not support people with only a single name like "Cher". | |
| Aug 1, 2017 at 13:35 | comment | added | mouviciel | Read the answers to see how it helps. iTunes does this. | |
| Aug 1, 2017 at 13:23 | answer | added | Hangman4358 | timeline score: 4 | |
| Aug 1, 2017 at 12:55 | comment | added | Istvan Devai | @mouviciel How does this help compared to first/last name? Could you mention any major Saas application that is doing it in this way, so we can look at an example? | |
| Aug 1, 2017 at 12:53 | comment | added | Istvan Devai | @Darkhogg let me turn the question around: what legal requirements can lead to a split firstname/lastname decision? One I've mentioned in my question about ("industry with strict identification requirements eg medical") | |
| Aug 1, 2017 at 12:52 | history | edited | Istvan Devai | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
Fixed markup
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| Aug 1, 2017 at 12:36 | review | Close votes | |||
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| Aug 1, 2017 at 12:25 | comment | added | mouviciel | I would implement two single field names: one field for display name and one field for sort name. | |
| Aug 1, 2017 at 11:47 | answer | added | KjMag | timeline score: 4 | |
| Aug 1, 2017 at 11:42 | answer | added | JeffO | timeline score: 5 | |
| Aug 1, 2017 at 11:27 | answer | added | Jan Hudec | timeline score: 56 | |
| Aug 1, 2017 at 11:03 | comment | added | Dani | What are you trying to do with those names? Do you have legal requirements? Is there any consequence other than display for the user's name? | |
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| Aug 1, 2017 at 10:40 | history | asked | Istvan Devai | CC BY-SA 3.0 |