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5Interesting. How did you reach the conclusion that outside in TDD is "mockist" TDD? I very much prefer Outside-In thinking and design and thus testing (see softwareonastring.com/2015/01/10/…) yet the Fowler article firmly puts me with Fowler in the classicist camp. While mockist may always use an outside-in approach, you can't turn it around and say that outside-in design and testing is mockist TDD. Outside-in can be and very much is practised by classicist TDD-ers as well.Marjan Venema– Marjan Venema2015-03-28 18:32:20 +00:00Commented Mar 28, 2015 at 18:32
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@jimmy_keen - With outside-in, do you at any point replace the mocks in the higher level tests with the later-created actual implementations? Or do you leave them as mocked dependencies and then exercise the the whole production code as an integration test?thehowler– thehowler2015-10-22 17:35:06 +00:00Commented Oct 22, 2015 at 17:35
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4I disagree that Classic/Mockist and Inside-Out/Outside-In are related. They are orthogonal. You can use Inside-Out/Outside-In with either.Daniel Kaplan– Daniel Kaplan2017-06-30 19:05:31 +00:00Commented Jun 30, 2017 at 19:05
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Agree with Daniel. You are likening two taxonomies that are different. Although Outside-in development is often associated with London (mockist) school, it is not always the case.guillaume31– guillaume312017-10-25 09:54:16 +00:00Commented Oct 25, 2017 at 9:54
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2I don't think this is a correct description of the outside-in process. It's about testing from the public interfaces without coupling to to internals, as much as possible.mcintyre321– mcintyre3212018-08-23 08:44:27 +00:00Commented Aug 23, 2018 at 8:44
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