I'd like to start off by saying I am not doing this with malicious intent. I firmly believe all artists and crafters should have the resources accessible to them in order to create. It's watermarked so one person is blamed for sharing this, please don't remove it.
I make a lot of posts about the pedestaling of the American English dub in the fanbase and the fact it tends to be shoved down the throats of people who aren’t asking for that (I absolutely do not ask people to disown it or anything, just to be more conscientious about others around them who have good reason to have concerns), but I think one of the biggest ones I really want to address is that some of the “jokes” it makes are actually pretty disturbing from a cultural sensitivity perspective, and for those particular jokes it’s really uncomfortable to hear people praising those for how much more hilarious they are when it’s actually that kind of thing.
I’m not talking about the fact that said dub covers up several aspects related to Japanese or Asian culture (that’s of course an inevitable part of localization), but the fact that said dub often takes those aspects and makes a mockery of them to levels that go beyond the call-a-rice-ball-a-jelly-donut level. For example:
Two scenes from 02 episodes 22 and 25 where curry and peas on rice respectively are made into “gross cafeteria mystery food” jokes. The above are easily recognizable to anyone familiar with those, and it’s not exactly a comfortable feeling to see those labeled as something you should be treating like gross sludge.
The reason I’m making this post is that there was a tweet where a Japanese fan found cups that resembled the ones used for the oolong tea in Our War Game! and got Westerners QRTing them memeing about “beef jerky shakes” because of Digimon the Movie, which is really not a good look in front of the OP who noticed and made some tweets about foreign insensitivity about Asian tea after that (mistaking barley tea for whiskey, etc.), and also pointed out that the real-life Suntory oolong tea bottle was in their picture and yet people still had to make jokes about it being beef jerky shakes. You really do have to consider that it’s kind of uncomfortable to see this kind of thing treated like it’s equivalent to “some weird impossible bizarro drink” because oolong tea is either too foreign or not funny enough, and so while I’m not trying to completely tear down the dub or anything, please at least have more conscientiousness about the fact that this is ultimately only a single localization, and that for people who are at least a little disturbed by this kind of thing, it’s not comfortable to have this thing forced down your throat as “superior because it’s funny”.
Basically, I’m just asking to please be conscientious about this issue, especially since it’s not 1999-2001 anymore.
02 is, first and foremost, a story about relationships between people; it is not a story about the individual, and it has never been a story about the individual.
I cannot emphasize enough how important understanding this concept is to understanding 02 itself, to the point where I might even say something as extreme as insinuating that not taking this into account means risking having the entire point of 02 go over your head. Not only has it been outright stated by official (multiple times, at that) that this is a point it intentionally was made to contrast with Adventure with, you can also even see it in the evolution gimmick (Jogress) being about people connecting with each other. It’s an important point to make in general, too; as long as we live in a world with other people in it, how we reach out to and connect with others is just as important of a personal character trait as how we deal with ourselves. This is one of 02′s most standout qualities, especially in contrast to other Digimon series; it’s the theme that sets it most apart from everything else.
I’m writing this partially because I felt I should touch on it in general, and partially because lately I’ve been hearing sentiments about how introducing the new upcoming 02-based movie with a “guest character” instead of the 02 group itself is somehow doing said characters a disservice. I touched on this a little earlier, but to be honest, as someone who personally loves 02 very deeply, this take unnerves me a lot (and, predictably, comes very often from people who don’t even care for 02 that much; seriously, it’s a bit unnerving to hear these kinds of sentiments acting like they care about the series’s welfare from people who never cared for it in the first place). So here’s a post about the importance of “relationships” in 02′s narrative overall, and how “guest characters” tend to play into this.
Ok la verdad es que no me da para responder en inglés. I can’t english today or never actually tbh
Voy a comenzar comentando que estoy de acuerdo con op en relación sobre la temática de 02 sobre sus relaciones extrapersonales, sin embaergo fallo en ver ni en entender por qué no existe un motivo menos fácil sobre el por qué debes incluir un extra en una trama de película cuyo cast de personajes es bastante grande. Quizás porque la respuesta es esa misma. Que es simplemente ‘fácil’
Un poco más de mérito podría encontrar en encontrar conflictos que considero podrían estar muy bien argumentado digamos, entre ellos y los 8 niños originales por ejemplo?
La verdad, no puedo dejar de pensar en mi propia decepción y desgaste emocional que me trajo tri, que en lo personal fue un rotundo fracaso y el por qué no le doy a toei la expectativa de hacer esto de nuevo. Kizuna, a pesar de ser bastante bastaaaante mejor que tri en todo aspecto, sigue lastimosamente dejando personajes de lado en pos de darle más espacio de crecimiento a personajes creados sin la necesidad de. (siendo en este caso, Sora quien más se vio perjudicada en términos de producción)
Nuevamente, a pesar de esta vagamente de acuerdo con shihalyfie en lo que respecta a valores de los personajes de 02, no estoy de acuerdo con traer personajes nuevos debido a que la experiencia me ha mostrado, que realmente no queda nada de bien.
BACK WHEN WE WERE STILL CHANGING FOR THE BETTER, WANTING WAS ENOUGH, FOR ME IT WAS ENOUGH! TO LIVE FOR THE HOPE OF IT ALL, CANCEL PLANS JUST IN CASE YOU’D CALL AND SAY MEET ME BEHIND THE MALL. SO MUCH FOR SUMMER LOVE AND SAYING US CUZ YOU WEREN’T MIIIIIIIINEEEEEEEE TO LOSE
imagine fakir realizing he’s in love with ahiru for the first time and just sort of sinking down to the floor, half-gurgling a strangled “noooOOOOO” as he descends
ohghostwhat
STRICKEN MOMENT OF PANIC AS HE LOOKS IN THE MIRROR ONE MORNING AND FINDS HIMSELF THINKING HOW AHIRU’S BEDHEAD IS PROBABLY REALLY REALLY CUTE
MYTHO FINDS HIM HOURS LATER, CURLED FETAL AND GRUNTING ANGRILY AROUND HIS TOOTHBRUSH. HE GIVES HIM A CONSOLING NUDGE. FAKIR IS NOT CONSOLED.