in re the telepathy of charles francis xavier, phd phd phd phd phd
The question came up on Tumblr whether Charles Xavier should be pitied because he's asked not to read the minds of the people close to him. Turtletotem makes the point that this depends a lot on how you perceive the nature of Charles's ability. Is his telepathy a "sixth sense" that's always active unless he works to block out others' thoughts? Or is it a power that he has to exert in order to perceive others' thoughts?
X-Men: First Class doesn’t indicate whether or not Charles senses minds all the time. But there’s comics canon indicating that he does. Here’s a flashback panel showing Charles accidentally reading the mind of a teacher despite his fear of being discovered, suggesting that he has to exert himself not to read minds:

Now of course, you can disregard this if you want, because 1, First Class obviously has its own different canon from this panel, what with Charles still having hair in his twenties, among other changes. And 2, in decades of X-Men comics, the nature of Charles’s powers has been established, changed, retconned and changed again many many times. But personally I saw this panel early on in my Charles Xavier background reading, and it’s part of my Charles headcanon.
And I find it interesting to contemplate Charles as a character by trying to imagine what it would be like to have another sense and how this would affect him. (Neurotypical) human beings are in general very, very finely attuned to one another’s expressions and body language because we’re social animals, and in our infancy and childhood, our lives depend on keeping alert to other people’s moods and state of mind.
If you could know someone’s mood and state of mind directly through telepathy, you might never fully develop that fundamental ability to read body language and facial expressions. Which might make you appear insensitive to people when you’re not reading their minds... like First Class’s Charles seems toward Raven.
And you might also never develop an instinct for what you should and shouldn’t say out loud, because you’re usually guided by cues that you read in people’s minds... which might account for the way First Class Charles keeps saying just the wrong thing, which is otherwise a little puzzling, coming from a telepathic genius.
Marvel canon is inconsistent on, well, everything, and telepathy is no exception. Jean Grey was shown having difficulty keeping others' thoughts out, to the point that she was isolated and treated by a psychiatrist. In one version of Emma Frost's backstory, Emma manifests her telepathy and starts using it to make her life easier in short order, while in another, she's put in a mental institution. So how does mutant telepathy work? How hard is it to control? Who knows?
For most of First Class, Charles is in his (late?) twenties and seems to have a handle on his ability. It may seem like his telepathy requires conscious exertion, because he keeps putting his hand to his temple when he uses it. But Charles speaks to Erik mind-to-mind underwater, and mindreads his name and some of his memories ("I know what this means to you") while he's using both hands to try to pull Erik up, so Charles doesn't need to touch his temple to use his telepathy. Maybe it helps him concentrate, but he can definitely use telepathy without the gesture. So I don't think XMFC tells us either way if he has to make an effort to read minds.
But even if it is an exertion for Charles to use his telepathy, it's still a sense as much as it's a power. It's an exertion for us to open our eyes and focus them, but most of us wouldn't think to walk around with our eyes closed just because it takes some effort to use our vision. If I had the ability to sense where people were around me, their moods, whether they were a threat to me? Personally, I'd be doing it all the time and I'd feel unnerved without it. Particularly if my sister and I had a major secret to protect that could compromise our safety.
I think it's 100% Raven's prerogative to tell Charles to respect her privacy and refrain from reading her mind. But as Jamjar commented below: "I don't want you in my mind" is not unreasonable, but then if you say "you don't understand me", well, no. he's reading the subtitles, he's not getting the tone of your voice.
The people around him aren't obligated to sacrifice their privacy for Charles's comfort. But Raven is angry that Charles fails to hear her after she told him to cover his ears. Throughout the movie I was baffled that Charles was so insensitive to Raven... til we learned she'd asked him to stop using one of his senses around her. Yet she still expected him to be as adept with her as if he were a baseline human using all his faculties, rather than a telepath with his ability tied behind his back. That's the part that makes me want to give the guy that long-overdue hot chocolate.
X-Men: First Class doesn’t indicate whether or not Charles senses minds all the time. But there’s comics canon indicating that he does. Here’s a flashback panel showing Charles accidentally reading the mind of a teacher despite his fear of being discovered, suggesting that he has to exert himself not to read minds:

Now of course, you can disregard this if you want, because 1, First Class obviously has its own different canon from this panel, what with Charles still having hair in his twenties, among other changes. And 2, in decades of X-Men comics, the nature of Charles’s powers has been established, changed, retconned and changed again many many times. But personally I saw this panel early on in my Charles Xavier background reading, and it’s part of my Charles headcanon.
And I find it interesting to contemplate Charles as a character by trying to imagine what it would be like to have another sense and how this would affect him. (Neurotypical) human beings are in general very, very finely attuned to one another’s expressions and body language because we’re social animals, and in our infancy and childhood, our lives depend on keeping alert to other people’s moods and state of mind.
If you could know someone’s mood and state of mind directly through telepathy, you might never fully develop that fundamental ability to read body language and facial expressions. Which might make you appear insensitive to people when you’re not reading their minds... like First Class’s Charles seems toward Raven.
And you might also never develop an instinct for what you should and shouldn’t say out loud, because you’re usually guided by cues that you read in people’s minds... which might account for the way First Class Charles keeps saying just the wrong thing, which is otherwise a little puzzling, coming from a telepathic genius.
Marvel canon is inconsistent on, well, everything, and telepathy is no exception. Jean Grey was shown having difficulty keeping others' thoughts out, to the point that she was isolated and treated by a psychiatrist. In one version of Emma Frost's backstory, Emma manifests her telepathy and starts using it to make her life easier in short order, while in another, she's put in a mental institution. So how does mutant telepathy work? How hard is it to control? Who knows?
For most of First Class, Charles is in his (late?) twenties and seems to have a handle on his ability. It may seem like his telepathy requires conscious exertion, because he keeps putting his hand to his temple when he uses it. But Charles speaks to Erik mind-to-mind underwater, and mindreads his name and some of his memories ("I know what this means to you") while he's using both hands to try to pull Erik up, so Charles doesn't need to touch his temple to use his telepathy. Maybe it helps him concentrate, but he can definitely use telepathy without the gesture. So I don't think XMFC tells us either way if he has to make an effort to read minds.
But even if it is an exertion for Charles to use his telepathy, it's still a sense as much as it's a power. It's an exertion for us to open our eyes and focus them, but most of us wouldn't think to walk around with our eyes closed just because it takes some effort to use our vision. If I had the ability to sense where people were around me, their moods, whether they were a threat to me? Personally, I'd be doing it all the time and I'd feel unnerved without it. Particularly if my sister and I had a major secret to protect that could compromise our safety.
I think it's 100% Raven's prerogative to tell Charles to respect her privacy and refrain from reading her mind. But as Jamjar commented below: "I don't want you in my mind" is not unreasonable, but then if you say "you don't understand me", well, no. he's reading the subtitles, he's not getting the tone of your voice.
The people around him aren't obligated to sacrifice their privacy for Charles's comfort. But Raven is angry that Charles fails to hear her after she told him to cover his ears. Throughout the movie I was baffled that Charles was so insensitive to Raven... til we learned she'd asked him to stop using one of his senses around her. Yet she still expected him to be as adept with her as if he were a baseline human using all his faculties, rather than a telepath with his ability tied behind his back. That's the part that makes me want to give the guy that long-overdue hot chocolate.

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My take is that people have thoughts that pretty much shout, with or without their realising it-- the things that they want to say, the things that they want to be known (even if they don't consciously know it)-- both good things (I'm so in love! I'm going on holiday abroad for the first time, oh please, give me the chance to talk about it! Look at how good I'm being, Ma! Don't I deserve an icecream?) and bad (I'm so unhappy, why do none of you see it? I've been hurt and I have to keep it hidden all the time and I'm so tired and I want it to be done. Please, somebody help me, somebody notice. I don't feel anything and none of you realise) and they all boil down to "Please see this in me!"
And it's hard to block out those because it is the equivalent of someone shouting at you. They're thoughts people want you to know. Finding out specific knowledge when someone isn't thinking of it, that's harder, or if they're away and you have to strain, that's difficult and can be improved with training, but a lot of telepathic training does seem to be on how to keep other people's thoughts out of your head.
The thing is, people do shout out things they're trying not say, and even bog standard people do pick up on this. I mean, people are bad at lying, on the whole! We give ourselves away constantly, because what we say and what we're trying to say don't match! And Charles doesn't have any training on that and probably only sort of gets it and has been trained to focus on ignoring all the other cues and just react to the words people say.
And that kind of sucks, because "I don't want you in mind" is not unreasonable, but then if you say "you don't understand me", well, no. he's reading the subtitles, he's not getting the tone of your voice.
I also think his sense of perspective might be screwy, because he knows why people do the things they do, and knows that the action they're doing now isn't the whole of them. Cain Marko was abusive, but was also abused, and Charles would be aware of just how and why he was damaged. A human might be scared of them, but... well, he's been inside Eric's mind. He knows they're not necessarily wrong to, that Eric has othered humans.
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Good points! And this could explain Charles accidentally outing Hank, the other big instance of Charles saying the wrong thing. Hank's thinking about his mutation so intensely it's like a shout, and Charles reacts to the intensity of the thought before he catches Hank's anxiety.
It could even explain Charles's terrible choice of words on the beach, "they're just following orders." If that phrase has loomed large in Erik's mind, it might spring to Charles's lips simply because Erik's been "shouting" it in his hearing a lot-- even though it's exactly the wrong thing to say.
Charles doesn't have any training on that and probably only sort of gets it and has been trained to focus on ignoring all the other cues and just react to the words people say.
And that kind of sucks, because "I don't want you in mind" is not unreasonable, but then if you say "you don't understand me", well, no. he's reading the subtitles, he's not getting the tone of your voice.
EXACTLY. It's totally reasonable for Raven to want Charles to respect her privacy and refrain from reading her thoughts and feelings. Even if that does require him to block his mind and cut off one of his senses, to do the equivalent of covering his ears around her... that's her prerogative. I don't blame her (or Erik either) for telling Charles not to use his telepathy. Even if that does suck for him. We all expect that our thoughts and emotions are private. They have every right.
But it's unfair to then treat him as if he should be able to function completely normally with one of his senses blocked off. It's as if Raven wants him to cover his ears around her, and then gets angry at him because he can't hear her. A lot of our skills at nonverbal communication are acquired borderline-unconsciously through constant repetition and reinforcement. Charles can try to compensate for lacking that near-instinctive perception and interpretation of facial expression, tone of voice and body language, but it seems as if it would always be a kludge.
I don't think all this completely explains First Class Charles's insensitivity; I boggle that the screenwriters seemed to think it was funny for Charles to tell his shapeshifter sister "I don't know what's gotten into you lately, you're awfully concerned with your looks." That's not a matter of social ineptitude, that's just a bizarrely dumb thing to say to her.
But I think this take on Charles's telepathy covers a lot of things about the First Class version of Charles that are otherwise fairly weird. It's strange to me that they gave the character flaw of insensitivity to the telepath! It's not the direction I would've gone with him. His arrogance makes perfect sense to me, but his insensitivity requires some meta grappling. Oh well, that's fun too. :-)
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(Anonymous) 2012-02-13 09:42 pm (UTC)(link)That makes sense. Charles's use of the 'just following orders' defense struck me as bizarre from the moment he said it, because if Charles knows what Erik's been through, he should, in theory, realize how that argument will affect him. But if the phrase was on Erik's mind - maybe because he's expecting someone to use that defense now as they have in the past - Charles could have picked up on it.
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Sooooo not surprised there are people in fandom who think that anyone who doesn't want Charles constantly rooting around in their heads are big mean poopyheads, though.
(But then I also think that, for example, it's super creepy when married couples share an email address, so the whole telepathy thing is even more so and I am definitely not on board the "if you loved me you'd let me read your mind!" train. People need space! And privacy! Even if they love each other!)
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That doesn't override others' basic right to privacy. But the other characters don't consider how it affects him not to use it. Charles's sister is angry at him for most of the movie because he doesn't understand her: the guy she asked not to use one of his senses is insensitive to her, who knew. But she still expected him to know how she felt without explaining it to him, and she got so pissed at his failure that she left him while he was shot and his life was in danger, so that's the context for feeling like he got the shit end of the stick. It's not that if she loved him she should've let him into her head, but that she didn't seem to make any attempt to understand him while expecting him to understand her.
And there's also the element that the two characters who reject his telepathy are the two characters who are ready to kill all humans who don't accept mutant abilities. So that seems a little inconsistent on their parts.
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I have this whole thing where it just bothers me so much that Erik really, really hasn't thought through his whole mutant supremacy thing. Mutants aren't bound by a common trait, not the way most groups are-- it doesn't give them anything in common other than *not* being the same as other people.
Which... you know, people can be united by that, but... oh, how to say this? Okay, in a conservative environment, someone who was gay and someone who was a single parent and someone who was a goth might all be united in not being like most of everyone else, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they're like each other, that they can relate to each others specific experience. And it doesn't mean that they might not each have more in common with everyone else.
Erik doesn't have any *system* to his beliefs, he hasn't thought anything through, and when he's faced with other people talents, he wants to treat them all like they're his-- they're a consciously activated weapon, they're an extension of what he can control, and they're aggressive. That's a problem when it comes to people like Charles whose power functions differently.
(Seriously! All mutants are equal, but some are more equal than others, and it doesn't matter if you're absolutely unique and no-one else could do the things you do, unless it's a mutant power it doesn't count. Like... well, Hank's brain is more impressive, more special, more dangerous, than his mutant gifts. A few decades early, but you put Tony Stark in a room with them and he's probably still smarter (with the possible exception of Charles, and I used to have Marvel training cards that quantified this), but Eric doesn't really get that-- he's focussed on one trait that a person has, not the person themself.